2020 US Election (Part 3)

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Debunked by whom?

It amazes me how you distrust and bash Facluci because he lied and admitted it, while Trump lies are excused, ignored and defended.
Inject disinfectant, stop the testing, it will just disappear, Where is your outrage at Trump ? Why do you continue to defend him ? Why do you continue to believe him ?

 
Apparently bozo Berz thinks that Biden was in charge of this country when COVID started and blames him for not stopping COVID! :lol: He's totally right, Biden the private citizen could have marshaled the federal government even without holding elected office. It's not like Trump could have done anything more, he was just the president, what power did he have? :lol:

Is that a nickname from grade school? He could have supported good half steps instead of condemning Trump for travel restrictions. And he could have told the truth like Fauci eventually did instead of accusing Trump of lying. Stone throwing Pharisees come to mind.

If at this point you're rehashing how the opposition reacted to the very preliminary stages of the pandemic, a time when nobody knew much and when really not much had happened yet, in a time at least 300,000 deaths ago, you're a complete shameless hack, plain and simple.

Of course I'm rehashing how the opposition reacted, I'm debating someone who claimed only Trump was to blame. And if you care about those deaths, why are you ignoring all the other people who share in the blame? Do you think the people who lost their kin in NY nursing homes blame Cuomo at all? I dont think they'd call me a shameless hack for agreeing with them.
 
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We're debating if it should be entirely blamed on Trump, not Democrats.

Trump KNEW how dangerous the virus was and did barely anything, resisting lockdowns and fueling anti-mask rhetoric.

People are dead because of him and both he and you have blood on your hands. If there is a god, may he judge you and Trump for your part in this slaughter of Americans.
 
It amazes me how you distrust and bash Facluci because he lied and admitted it, while Trump lies are excused, ignored and defended.
Inject disinfectant, stop the testing, it will just disappear, Where is your outrage at Trump ? Why do you continue to defend him ? Why do you continue to believe him ?

That lie was told to Trump, the GOP & Democrats, bureaucrats, and media and they spread the lie to us. And what amazes you is my reaction? I wouldn't mention Democrats if they weren't complicit and trying to hide behind Trump.

I gave Fauci credit for telling the truth, he exposed the Democrats as frauds. They insist on blaming Trump for the lie and Fauci admitted the source for the lie was the medical community advising both parties. Trump tells a lie, Pelosi tells the same lie, Pelosi accuses Trump of lying.

"Pelosi urged people to shop and eat there at a time when tourism was suffering because of the novel coronavirus, which originated in China late last year."

Your link confirms what I said.
 
That lie was told to Trump, the GOP & Democrats, bureaucrats, and media and they spread the lie to us. And what amazes you is my reaction? I wouldn't mention Democrats if they weren't complicit and trying to hide behind Trump.

I gave Fauci credit for telling the truth, he exposed the Democrats as frauds. They insist on blaming Trump for the lie and Fauci admitted the source for the lie was the medical community advising both parties. Trump tells a lie, Pelosi tells the same lie, Pelosi accuses Trump of lying.

"Pelosi urged people to shop and eat there at a time when tourism was suffering because of the novel coronavirus, which originated in China late last year."

Your link confirms what I said.

COVID isn't a disease that can only be spread by Chinese people. It is hilariously dumb how you keep attacking Democrats for a Trump policy that failed so utterly. That is why nobody believes you when you say you aren't a Trump supporter.


Anyway, 1 in 13 Americans in nursing homes have died to COVID. And before Beserker starts with his usual spiel, New York and California are nowhere near the top, despite being the states with some of the longest exposure.

1 in 13. In some homes it is more like a half to a third. Utterly crazy, how it just doesn't matter, and most of the elderly voted for the guy who doesn't care if they die.
 
That lie was told to Trump, the GOP & Democrats, bureaucrats, and media and they spread the lie to us. And what amazes you is my reaction? I wouldn't mention Democrats if they weren't complicit and trying to hide behind Trump.

I gave Fauci credit for telling the truth, he exposed the Democrats as frauds. They insist on blaming Trump for the lie and Fauci admitted the source for the lie was the medical community advising both parties. Trump tells a lie, Pelosi tells the same lie, Pelosi accuses Trump of lying.

"Pelosi urged people to shop and eat there at a time when tourism was suffering because of the novel coronavirus, which originated in China late last year."

Your link confirms what I said.

It's the scale of the lying and the motivation behind it.

In a pandemic medical personal need equipment more than everyone else.

Everyone else panic buys.

Fauci isn't in charge and doesn't have the same power or pulpit as Trump. He admitted he lied and why he lied.

What Trump's doing doesn't even make any sense. Aussie and NZ outperforming USA economy wise. Amazing what happens when Covids not running rampant.

Trump actually made the economy worse by his actions although he may have done marginally better than Europe which gets the worst of both options with few of the benefits.
 
Trump KNEW how dangerous the virus was and did barely anything, resisting lockdowns and fueling anti-mask rhetoric.

People are dead because of him and both he and you have blood on your hands. If there is a god, may he judge you and Trump for your part in this slaughter of Americans.

Oh I dont think God will mind me asking Pharisees if they're without sin, but Obama/Clinton/Biden voters complaining about dead people after they destroyed other countries might attract His attention.
 
Oh I dont think God will mind me asking Pharisees if they're without sin, but Obama/Clinton/Biden voters complaining about dead people after they destroyed other countries might attract His attention.

I'm not interested in the sins of others, I'm focused on yours and no amount of misdirection nor attempting to equivocate makes your hands any cleaner
 
Lies about corona, ok I'll play :)

“when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”
“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”
deaths by suicide “definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about” for COVID-19
“Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,” and cases are “coming way down.”
The pandemic is “fading away. It’s going to fade away.” (June 17)
The pandemic is “getting under control.” (July 2)
“99%” of COVID-19 cases are “totally harmless.”
“We now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.”
Mexico is partly to blame for COVID-19 surges in the Southwest.
Children are “virtually immune” to COVID-19.
The U.S. has “among the lowest case-fatality rates of any major country anywhere in the world.” (Aug 27)
America is “rounding the corner” and “rounding the final turn” of the pandemic.
“You get better and then you’re immune.”
A CDC study shows that “85 percent of the people wearing masks catch” the virus.
"The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing,”
The Trump White House “inherited” a “broken,” “bad,” and “obsolete” test for the coronavirus.
The Obama administration left Trump “bare” and “empty” shelves of medical supplies in the national strategic stockpile.
“Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. We—they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful” and “If somebody wants to be tested right now, they’ll be able to be tested.” (May 11)
America has “developed a testing capacity unmatched and unrivaled anywhere in the world, and it’s not even close.” (May 11)
“Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country.”
The United States would suspend “all travel from Europe, except the United Kingdom, for the next 30 days,” Trump announced in an Oval Office address. (March 11)
All U.S. citizens arriving from Europe would be subject to medical screening, COVID-19 testing, and quarantine if necessary. “If an American is coming back, or anybody is coming back, we’re testing,” Trump said. “We have a tremendous testing setup where people coming in have to be tested … We’re not putting them on planes if it shows positive, but if they do come here, we’re quarantining.”
“Everybody thought I was wrong” about implementing restrictions on travelers from China, and “most people felt they should not close it down—that we shouldn’t close down to China.”
The Trump administration’s travel restrictions on China were a “ban” that closed up the “entire” United States and “kept China out.”
“I’ve always known this is a real—this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic … I’ve always viewed it as very serious.”
The coronavirus is “going to go away without a vaccine … and we’re not going to see it again, hopefully, after a period of time.” (May 8)
“We’re weeks away from a vaccine,” Trump said at the first debate. (like the healthcare plan!) (September 29)

There's more, but you get the picture.
 
Stone throwing Pharisees come to mind.

"For verily I say unto you, simply quote this passage and thou shall have freedom forevermore from the burden of making moral distinctions. Go in peace." -Jesus, probably
 
COVID isn't a disease that can only be spread by Chinese people. It is hilariously dumb how you keep attacking Democrats for a Trump policy that failed so utterly. That is why nobody believes you when you say you aren't a Trump supporter

Who said covid can only be spread by Chinese people? The policy came from Fauci and the medical establishment which is bipartisan and probably leans Democrat. They told the powers that be - the bipartisan powers - to downplay masks. I'm called partisan for believing blame for covid deaths is bipartisan. I think thats so interesting.

Anyway, 1 in 13 Americans in nursing homes have died to COVID. And before Beserker starts with his usual spiel, New York and California are nowhere near the top, despite being the states with some of the longest exposure.

1 in 13. In some homes it is more like a half to a third. Utterly crazy, how it just doesn't matter, and most of the elderly voted for the guy who doesn't care if they die.

I doubt most nursing home residents voted for Trump, but I've posted a link from a CNN fact check on Cuomo. They said over 6,000 infected people were reintroduced back into nursing homes and apparently several other states had a similar policy. I dont know why we cant acknowledge what happened if it makes Democrats look bad. Well, I do know why...

I'm not interested in the sins of others, I'm focused on yours and no amount of misdirection nor attempting to equivocate makes your hands any cleaner

How many mass murderers did you vote for in the last decade? 3 and you're outta there
 
"For verily I say unto you, simply quote this passage and thou shall have freedom forevermore from the burden of making moral distinctions. Go in peace." -Jesus, probably

Fauci tells Democrats to downplay masks and Democrats downplay masks.
Fauci tells Trump to downplay masks and Trump downplays masks.
Democrats blame Trump for downplaying masks.
Other than the hypocrisy, what is the moral distinction?
 
Who said covid can only be spread by Chinese people? The policy came from Fauci and the medical establishment which is bipartisan and probably leans Democrat. They told the powers that be - the bipartisan powers - to downplay masks. I'm called partisan for believing blame for covid deaths is bipartisan. I think thats so interesting.



I doubt most nursing home residents voted for Trump, but I've posted a link from a CNN fact check on Cuomo. They said over 6,000 infected people were reintroduced back into nursing homes and apparently several other states had a similar policy. I dont know why we cant acknowledge what happened if it makes Democrats look bad. Well, I do know why...



How many mass murderers did you vote for in the last decade? 3 and you're outta there

See, more shifting of the goalposts, it's always the case with you. Trump's inaction cost people their lives and rather than be a decent human being and shut up and accept that fact without trying to spin it, knowing that people on this website have lost loved ones, family and friends to this virus, you instead double down because you are intellectually and ideologically incapable of introspection.

Jesus would've condemned you for your moral cowardice and your willingness to go to bat for awful people.

Horrible.

The damage you and people like you have done to this country is immense, I've lost good friends and family and all you do is equivocate and flop around like a wet fish trying to do damage control.

Man up and take responsibility for the ideology you support, man up and grow a spine, man up and get a conscience and stop abusing people's goodwill and increasingly fraught tolerance.

You've genuinely upset and pissed me off and I hope when all is said and done that people remember what you've said because it's awful and disgusting to me as a human being.
 
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See, more shifting of the goalposts, it's always the case with you. Trump's inaction cost people their lives and rather than be a decent human being and shut up and accept that fact without trying to spin it, knowing that people on this website have lost loved ones, family and friends to this virus, you instead double down because you are intellectually and ideologically incapable of introspection.

Jesus would've condemned you for your moral cowardice and your willingness to go to bat for awful people.

Horrible.

The damage you and people like you have done to this country is immense, I've lost good friends and family and all you do is equivocate and flop around like a wet fish trying to do damage control.

Man up and take responsibility for the ideology you support, man up and grow a spine, man up and get a conscience and stop abusing people's goodwill and increasingly fraught tolerance.

You've genuinely upset and pissed me off and I hope when all is said and done that people remember what you've said because it's awful and disgusting to me as a human being.

At least some of the other Trump supporters own it.
 

Bill Maher's new rules on why Democrats could be in trouble...

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immaturity being one reason

See, more shifting of the goalposts, it's always the case with you. Trump's inaction cost people their lives and rather than be a decent human being and shut up and accept that fact without trying to spin it, knowing that people on this website have lost loved ones, family and friends to this virus, you instead double down because you are intellectually and ideologically incapable of introspection.

Were any of them in a NY nursing home? For the record, I am against sending sick old folk back into nursing homes. Trump didn't do that, state governors like Cuomo did.

You've genuinely upset and pissed me off and I hope when all is said and done that people remember what you've said because it's awful and disgusting to me as a human being.

So, was that a trifecta of mass murderers on your resume? Did you vote for Obama after he destroyed Libya and were you outraged when he armed the Saudi Arabian genocide in Yemen and terrorists in Syria? But no, what pisses you off are people who blame Democrats and Republicans for lying to us about masks.
 
the medical establishment which is bipartisan and probably leans Democrat
Where do you get this from? The AMA is one of the organisations that bears most responsibility for the american health care system, which is more responsible for the high US mortality rate than Trump.
 
Fauci tells Democrats to downplay masks and Democrats downplay masks.
Fauci tells Trump to downplay masks and Trump downplays masks.
Democrats blame Trump for downplaying masks.
Other than the hypocrisy, what is the moral distinction?
One of them never changed his tune. The others did. Let me expand on your "chain of events", bold are my contributions

Fauci tells Democrats to downplay masks and Democrats downplay masks.
Fauci tells Trump to downplay masks and Trump downplays masks.
In late February and early March as the COVID-19 outbreak began accelerating in the US, hospitals and health facilities experienced severe shortages of personal protective equipment for healthcare workers. In response, experts like Fauci and the US Surgeon General Jerome Adams advised Americans against wearing masks.

"I don't regret anything I said then because in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct. We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs and masks for the health providers who are putting themselves in harm's way every day to take care of sick people,"

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(If you are wondering these are bin bags used as substitute)

Fauci had a reason for downplaying masks. But later on:
""When it became clear that the infection could be spread by asymptomatic carriers who don't know they're infected, that made it very clear that we had to strongly recommend masks," he said.

"And also, it soon became clear that we had enough protective equipment and that cloth masks and homemade masks were as good as masks that you would buy from surgical supply stores," Fauci added. "So in the context of when we were not strongly recommending it, it was the correct thing."

So up until this point, both Trump and Fauci get a pass. Up until this point, they both could have genuinely credible reasons not to cause a run for masks which would leave hospitals and health facilities wanting.


Democrats blame Trump for downplaying masks.
No, Democrats blame trump for continuing to downplay masks

Other than the hypocrisy, what is the moral distinction?
The Moral distinction is: One was downplaying the mask to prevent a crisis in hospitals and health facilities, the other one was only thinking about elections and holding rallies.

I trust that answers your question, you're welcome :)
 
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