2020 US Election (Part One)

[cardgame]

That is from months ago, just fyi

Months ago, Biden was irrelevant polling 5th

 

[Kyriakos]

Months ago, Biden was irrelevant polling 5th

It's ok, let people hope those clips, along with the worse ones where Biden curses at voters who are just citizens, won't come up in the election debates.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Bernie just announced he's staying in until the end.

 

[Camikaze]

I don't have a problem with Sanders staying in until the end, so that people have the opportunity to vote. But I will say something I said 4 years ago: I would have a problem with Sanders soliciting further donations based on the representation that he is going to win. In any other context, that would be illegal and a form of fraud. I hope he changes up his messaging so that people donating are clear about what they're donating to.

This, by the way, applies to all campaigns which are past their viability, but Sanders has a uniquely high level of small-dollar donations which puts him in a more consumer-like position; you don't need to be so concerned about candidates making misrepresentations to billionaires.

 

[Commodore]

It's not a conspiracy

I never said it was. Conspiracy implies something untowards is taking place. I don't think that's happening with Bernie since I don't see anything "wrong" or "corrupt" in taking steps to prevent someone who isn't even a member of the party from winning the nomination for that party.

 

[Zkribbler]

It's ok, let people hope those clips, along with the worse ones where Biden curses at voters who are just citizens spewing bullfeathers, won't come up in the election debates.

Fixed

 

[Sommerswerd]

So I mean it terms of super delegate type level membership. The one's with job listings as DNC members and while I agree with you that voting preferences being what they are currently Biden is going to win naturally, it does not change the fact that the DNC has long loathed the progressive side of their party. they rightfully view them as anti corporation and rich donor which means they hurt the bribery part of the DNC grift and they (I believe wrongfully but clearly its more debatable than I thought 3 weeks ago) view the progressive part of their platform as unpopular.

Just keep in mind that the Biden campaign had no money compared to Bernie and spent far less money on Super Tuesday campaigning, including IIRC NO money on ads in Minnesota in the Super Tuesday run-up. He had essentially no campaign organization whatsoever in several states due to a lack of funds. So although its easy/tempting to paint Biden as the "big money" establishment candidate, going against the "little guy" Bernie... the reality is that Sanders' campaign had (and still has) a lot more money than Biden's and spent a ton more money chasing the nomination than Biden did.

Because conservatives torpedo everything they propose and then people ask, "Why couldn't you pass any progressive policies?" and blame the progressives instead of the conservatives

I'm gonna push back a little on this thought because it seems to me that this is another example of what I referenced earlier... blaming the non-supporters for the failure... when its the responsibility of those who support the position to carry it to success, not those who oppose it. And you seem to see this clearly when it comes to Bernie supporters being blamed if Biden fails... but then you take the opposite position when it comes to blaming conservatives for progressives' failures and blaming Biden supporters for Bernie's failures.

The DNC is made up of 447 members currently, chosen by the party bureaucracy at the National and State levels with no required or binding input by, or accountability to, rank and file party members.

OK. So are those are individual Americans right? So are you saying that they aren't allowed to have or express a preference for a POTUS candidate?

 

[Lexicus]

OK. So are those are individual Americans right? So are you saying that they aren't allowed to have or express a preference for a POTUS candidate?

I think they are sort of obligated by their positions to support whomever has the most votes for the nomination....but since that's gonna be Biden it's a moot point.

 

[Hygro]

I'm not what you call happy about it either. I really thought Bernie had a shot to win this thing. And I still think beating Trump in November is gonna be an uphill battle for whomever the nominee ends up being. But the fact is the voters have repudiated Bernie in a pretty big way and we need to figure out why that is and how not to repeat it, and how to capitalize on the majorities of Democrats who back Bernie's policies even if they don't seem to have been willing to vote for the man himself.

As leftists we should know that electoral politics isn't going to be an easy arena to succeed in. Bourgeois democracy is rigged; we know this. Instead of complaining about it and acting surprised we need to figure out how we win anyway.

Bernie has no chill. I voted for him.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

Boy, you're really not gonna like it when Sanders (and e.g. AOC) inevitably endorses Biden.

Why? AOC and Bernie are public officials and representatives of the Democratic party, so I fully expect them to endorse Biden once he is nominated. I mean, Bernie literally said he would endorse and campaign for the eventual nominee, regardless of who it is. Same thing he did in 2016... because he has integrity.

Meanwhile, Andrew Yang said he would only endorse a candidate who includes a UBI plan into their platform. He also said he would endorse whoever the nominee is. Biden is not yet the nominee, and Biden will never ever consider UBI. I already sensed something stirring when he joined CNN—the very same media outlet which ignored him and put a picture of a random Asian man near his name—and this just shows he is in for the grift.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

In any case, I am not voting for Biden. I held my nose and voted for Hillary, but if the Democratic party is taking my vote for granted, while pushing policies which directly make my life worse, they won't get my vote again. I have always voted Democrat because they are supposedly "the good guys", except I have finally realized they aren't. The are the same corrupt cronies who will not give a single damn about people like me. They feel entitled to my vote, but they won't get it anymore. I now understand why so many people voted for Trump, and I might do the same out of spite. I just cancelled my Democratic party affiliation and will happily watch it all burn down and dance on its ashes. #DemExit

 

[Narz]

Damn it's sad its come to this, this is the best America has to offer, two arrogant corrupt old men. Hopefully Biden will choose someone deciding as his VP and... well you can finish my thought for me.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

Also, not to toy with conspiracy theories, but I do find it curious how there have been multiple reports of voter suppression across many states, especially including young and Latino voters, who overwhelmingly support Bernie. Why is it that students in Texas had to wait for 4 hours in line to vote? How is it that the election results show Bernie lagging by 10-15 points exit polls? You know, when Bolivia had an exit poll discrepancy of 2% last year, the US was calling for intervention, but now that there is a 11% discrepancy in the Democratic party "election", suddenly there is total silence. How is it that the grifters like Beto and Booker, who were calling Biden a demented man and a return to the past, are suddenly endorsing him as the best candidate, before even half of the delegates have been allocated? Or "I was that girl" Kamala Harris, endorsing Biden a few months after criticizing his segregationist views? How is Joe Biden winning states he doesn't even have operations in? How is it that the DNC changed the rules for the next debate to exclude Tulsi and have candidates sit in chairs and not have a live audience?

There are too many questions and not enough answers.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

But I, even though not being a Boomer, will view your posts on this regard as empty bigotry and not to be given any weight, value, or credence, and encourage others to do the same.

Dude, I literally don't care.

 

[Takhisis]

I'd rather have no tickets for smoking OR drinking on the street. land of the free my ass.

although I can actually understand it more for smoking, at least smoking has secondhand smoke as a negative factor - what's drinking? oldschool puritan morality? drinking is a sin and nobody should see you do it in public? public drunkenness is fine, that can stay ticketed/illegal but open container for a legal adult is loads of bull. change my mind? I don't even drink except at home so no dog in this fight it just doesn't make sense to me.

It's hypocritical morality. If it really were about saving people's lives they'd simply ban tobacco cultivation and importation outright. It's only been a couple of centuries since it became a habit outside the Americas, so it's not something that's ‘been around since Biblical times’ and therefore excusable, but, as I said, it's hypocrites being hypocrites.

Most states offer some paid time off to complete a vote.

Here's a thought: why not hold elections on non-working days? Here they're always on a Sunday and there's mandatory enrollment, so anything below 70% turnout is considered a problem.

Intentionally making it more difficult for persons/demographics who are more likely to oppose your party to vote is a pretty simple/straightforward definition of voter suppression... which the Republicans are disproportionately doing/attempting all over the country.

I’ve heard this, but yet to see objective evidence that points to Republican malevolence as the culprit.

Links? There was one two posts above the one which you quoted:

True, so are the people in Mississippi. A Mississippi Senator was even caught suggesting it outright:

 

[Imaus]

Bernie just announced he's staying in until the end.

Bernie's strategy, I think, is simply to show up at the convention with as many voters as possible to say 'Yes, we're here, and yes, we're not going away, so even though I'm not the nominee, and I'll fully support the nominee, you can't just ignore us'.

Which I can respect. He has all but affirmed he knows Biden will get it. But damn the party if he won't show them there is some support behind him and his policies, and that won't go away.

 

[Takhisis]

ou know, when Bolivia had an exit poll discrepancy of 2% last year, the US was calling for intervention, but now that there is a 11% discrepancy in the Democratic party "election", suddenly there is total silence.

The discrepancies in Bolivia's election made the difference between a runoff election which Morales assumed he would not win and a first-round victory with a sort-of FPTP system. And it was fraud (we have a thread for that); now whom would it concern if there was this 11% discrepancy in the DNC nomination election?

Bernie's strategy, I think, is simply to show up at the convention with as many voters as possible to say 'Yes, we're here, and yes, we're not going away, so even though I'm not the nominee, and I'll fully support the nominee, you can't just ignore us'.

Which I can respect. He has all but affirmed he knows Biden will get it. But damn the party if he won't show them there is some support behind him and his policies, and that won't go away.

It's good for setting up foundations for the future of the movement to try and pull the DNC back towards something recognisable as ‘left’ outside the U.S. of A.'s rarified political system. If he can pull it off.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Here's a thought: why not hold elections on non-working days? Here they're always on a Sunday and there's mandatory enrollment, so anything below 70% turnout is considered a problem.

Lack of access to polls is a feature of the system, not a bug.

 

[Takhisis]

I know. See the link in Sommerswerd's post which I quoted.

 

[Birdjaguar]

In any case, I am not voting for Biden. I held my nose and voted for Hillary, but if the Democratic party is taking my vote for granted, while pushing policies which directly make my life worse, they won't get my vote again. I have always voted Democrat because they are supposedly "the good guys", except I have finally realized they aren't. The are the same corrupt cronies who will not give a single damn about people like me. They feel entitled to my vote, but they won't get it anymore. I now understand why so many people voted for Trump, and I might do the same out of spite. I just cancelled my Democratic party affiliation and will happily watch it all burn down and dance on its ashes. #DemExit

You tell 'em! That'll teach them bad dems! Feel your power! Make them pay! Re-elect Trump!