Actually IIRC a WW1 battle between German and British forces in East Africa turned against the Brits because they disturbed a network of African hornet's nests -- maybe make a unit and distribute them like Barbarian camps?? 
-Oz
-Oz
Kal-el's Unit Concept Sketches
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Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
how many flavor catapults are there now?
Dom Pedro II
Modder For Life
Well, including the Japanese one... one. 
If you count the fire catapult, that makes two.
If you count the fire catapult, that makes two.
Dom Pedro II
Modder For Life
Personally, I don't like the idea of flavor catapults. The reason is that rather than capture them, the enemy just destroys them since they can't build the units themselves.
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
I have one word for you in response to that ignorant comment: AZTEKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
Don't everyone forget about the Ancient Central and South American cultures.
IF this thread is indeed about alternate historical units than the Azteks, Mayans and Incans should get
Llama Riders!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF this thread is indeed about alternate historical units than the Azteks, Mayans and Incans should get
Llama Riders!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
The Greek myths and gods were just that, myths, they didn't exist, and were created by the ancient greeks to explain things found in nature. Lightning, to the Greeks, was a demonstration of the powers of Zeus.
The Greek Gods never existed, and dont exist today. Their old beliefs have since been proven false 10 times over. When I take an airplane ride over mount Olympus, do I see the Olympian Gods? No.
And besides, the Ancient Greek Religion was hardly a benign religion. It preached moral deprivity, and was hardly free of holy wars.
Zeus(The father of the Olympian Gods) was vengeful(He once chained Prometheus into a cliffside and had him eaten alive just because he displeased him by giving fire to early man) an adulterer(Poor Hera), and thats just him for starters.
Theres Apollo and Artemis, whos vainity caused them to kill 22 innocent people, just because their mother said she was superior to Apollo and Artemis' mother.
Theres Dionysius, who's followers in one story caused a king to go mad and kill himself(In an extremely gruesome fashion to), all because he disapproved with their behavior.
Oh, and the Greeks once invaded Israel, and placed a statue of Zeus inside the Holy of Holies inside Solomon's Temple to show their supposed "superiority"(Thats the story of Hakknukah and the Maccabees by the way)
Conclusion: Like the rest of the people of the ancient world who did not follow the God of Israel, the Greeks were barbaric, idol worshippers. They were just alittle more peaceful about it, than say, the human sacrificing Babylonians.
The Greek Gods never existed, and dont exist today. Their old beliefs have since been proven false 10 times over. When I take an airplane ride over mount Olympus, do I see the Olympian Gods? No.
And besides, the Ancient Greek Religion was hardly a benign religion. It preached moral deprivity, and was hardly free of holy wars.
Zeus(The father of the Olympian Gods) was vengeful(He once chained Prometheus into a cliffside and had him eaten alive just because he displeased him by giving fire to early man) an adulterer(Poor Hera), and thats just him for starters.
Theres Apollo and Artemis, whos vainity caused them to kill 22 innocent people, just because their mother said she was superior to Apollo and Artemis' mother.
Theres Dionysius, who's followers in one story caused a king to go mad and kill himself(In an extremely gruesome fashion to), all because he disapproved with their behavior.
Oh, and the Greeks once invaded Israel, and placed a statue of Zeus inside the Holy of Holies inside Solomon's Temple to show their supposed "superiority"(Thats the story of Hakknukah and the Maccabees by the way)
Conclusion: Like the rest of the people of the ancient world who did not follow the God of Israel, the Greeks were barbaric, idol worshippers. They were just alittle more peaceful about it, than say, the human sacrificing Babylonians.
Ekmek
on steam: ekmek_e
Worshipping a book is no different than worshipping a golden calf or a mythical god. Not too mention the crusades and inquisition as signs of barbarity but thats off topic.
How are some of these units coming along? I'd like to see more elephant units. I actually have the AoK persian elephant broken down into frames but its a serious pain to convert it. But if someone would like them to use as a format:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Aokeleph.zip
NOTE they are NOT working flcs I just put all the frames into those files, you'll have to open them with PSP Anim shop.
Amenhotep7
Spartiate
PLEASE sword_of_geddon, take that back!
I'm not a polytheist, but XEN IS! And I'm sure he wouldn't be too happy!
I'm not a polytheist, but XEN IS! And I'm sure he wouldn't be too happy!
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
1. Christians and Jews do not worship a book. The Torah, Kabala and Bible are Books containing true historical events and the written words of God
2. The Jews were sinning and rebelling against God by worshiping the calf, and were punished for it. For it is written: Serve no other Gods but me(Not to be taken out of context. This does not mean there are other Gods, but rather, that God is the only one deserving of worship. Anything can be a god, its called idol worship.)
3. Its a little known fact that the Roman Catholic Church is in fact, a Pagan Polytheisitc organization! Worship and prayer to saints, and the Virgin Mary is the same as worshiping many gods.
The Roman Catholic Church became corrupted into its current form around 200 years after its formation.
The Crusades were a misguaded(And Un-Christian, since he promised something, salvation to any who partook of the Crusades) attempt by Pope Urbana to retake the Holy Land after the Muslems led by Saladin invaded Jerusaleum. Its as justified as the US led coalition was in beating back Saddam Hussein's forces that invaded Kuwait back in the early 1990's. It was greedy, barbaric, not to mention very Un-Christian Crusaders which caused it to degenerate into a holocaust against both Christian Byzantium and the Jews(Thats what happens when you rely on a undiscipled army composed of average people off the street who were promised a free trip to heaven, much like Al-Quida does today)
As for the Inquisition, that was the Roman-Catholic attempt to crush the threats to their rule(Actual printings of the bible in the hands of the common folk, true Christians and Jews, as well as Muslims which had converted to Christianity).
The Inquisition reprisents Christians just as much as Nazis represent the average German citizen. Its ignorant, foolish, and frankly, downright offensive to make statements like you did.
4. I think you'll find that recent(in the scheme of things) events and archeological findings will prove that God is anything but a myth.
And that, as they say, is that
P.S. Don't forget about giving those Incans, Mayans and Azteks Llama Riders!!!!
and I can say the same about christianity, Islam, and Judaism, after all, you going to tell me that a world wide flood in which all people are redsecende from a single familly is any more convincing then the legends of Zeus?
at least we aknowldege the fact that our stories are indeed stories told of the gods to ensure a decent virtue based life, and yet even that we find that the Great epics hold fast in ligh to ftruth, as they are based on reality
that is where you are wrong- while it is perfectlyl possible to say, in a logically based manner that the monotheistic god never exists, nor dose exists, the roots of medittteranen polytheism hinge not in some abstract notion of a controller of all, but rather on the fac tof reality- Gods are not the contorillers of nature, they are the personifaction given form- or rather they are nature
okay, the SURELLY you TELL me of this "holy war", in fact I CHALLENGE you to name A SINGLE "holy war"- you cant, as there were NONE[/n]
as far morals go I suggest you goo and take a hard look- I my self am a ROman, and belive it or not the doctrines of our relgions are very differnt, but I'll wager to that they old religion of the greeks, like ROman polytheism, is 10 times more moral then any monotheistic religion ever was.
and there is the story of how the hebrew god caused a man to go through great suffering and hardship just to prove somthing to the one know as satan
there is the tale of how after a battle, the hebrews killed evey last man, and took the women as slaves because there belifes were differnt, there is the tale of howoh, and there is the FACT the christians have done great horrors in the name of their relgion to entire nations, yet you do not see Rome or Greece doing the same...
look at the fact, you have pulled only the information which suits you purpose, you didnt mention the fact that all of those storys you mention served a purpose to emphisis good behavior did you?
and today the chrsitians are barbaric idol worshippers, preparing to sacrifce all for the idol they dont even recognize as one, thire bible, the polythesitic religions, at least those I am close to , those of the med. sea region are moral, virtuos religions, but did nto have the encompassing singularity- no no, they, or at least those of the greeks and ROmans did not command, they aided a follower of the religion to interoeret the world around them, they did not tell them "this is what the gods want. and you will obey or suffer damnation forever", unlike christianity and Islam (Judaism has no damnation, nor do polytheisic religions that I familliear with, yes there is a punishment for wrongs commited, but is not eternal, at least not in the Roman way of things, for it makes no sense to condem a man forever)
a barbaric religion: take a look at yourself, for when one gazes upon the glory of old, one sees a sensible, procatical religion, whos greatest virtue is letting the adhernts choose for them selvs, but still pointing stronglly to make the good choices
there are no religios wars, for it is not the way to wage a war of "our gods are right, yours are wrong". as it makes no sense, they are all just differnt names for the same universal deities
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
I'm not apolgizing for speaking my mind.
I've found on almost every message board, and in real, everyday life, that people are indoctrinated into thinking that:
Christians and Jews= Evil and Every other religion=Good
And I'm downright tired of so called Christians who are afraid to stand up for their believes in fear of being labeled "Intolerant"
If Xens gonna say something like "Monotheistic Religions are bad, Polytheistic are all Good and Tolerant by their very nature"
Than I have the right to rebutt what is essentially an extremely ignorant and offensive comment directed against Christians, Jews and Muslems.
And besides, lets face it, someone whos offended by seeing an Anubis Warrior pictured on a message board about a GAME has some serious issues. Everyones offended by every little stupid thing, and you can't please everyone. I'm downright tired of seeing good ideas being scrapped because they offend someone. If your offended by seeing the Egyptians with Anubis and Horus helmed warriors in a mod, don't download the damn mod. Its that simple.
I'm not trying to offend, but if someones offended by my last three posts, then its tough, I dont see people on the opposite side of the coin apologizing for saying such things as "The Jews were orginally Polytheistic" or "Christians ripped off the idea of death and ressurection from the Ancient Egyptians" so why should I apologize?
I've found on almost every message board, and in real, everyday life, that people are indoctrinated into thinking that:
Christians and Jews= Evil and Every other religion=Good
And I'm downright tired of so called Christians who are afraid to stand up for their believes in fear of being labeled "Intolerant"
If Xens gonna say something like "Monotheistic Religions are bad, Polytheistic are all Good and Tolerant by their very nature"
Than I have the right to rebutt what is essentially an extremely ignorant and offensive comment directed against Christians, Jews and Muslems.
And besides, lets face it, someone whos offended by seeing an Anubis Warrior pictured on a message board about a GAME has some serious issues. Everyones offended by every little stupid thing, and you can't please everyone. I'm downright tired of seeing good ideas being scrapped because they offend someone. If your offended by seeing the Egyptians with Anubis and Horus helmed warriors in a mod, don't download the damn mod. Its that simple.
I'm not trying to offend, but if someones offended by my last three posts, then its tough, I dont see people on the opposite side of the coin apologizing for saying such things as "The Jews were orginally Polytheistic" or "Christians ripped off the idea of death and ressurection from the Ancient Egyptians" so why should I apologize?
well, I suppose you need to tell that to your brethren as they certainlyl are worshipping every page, and word of the books
so in other words there are other gods, but that god is the only one deserving of worship?
except for the fact that they arnt worshipping them
dont forget, it dosent stop at the crusades, what about the many protestant based horrors against various native peoples in there home lands? or perhaps they are justified as they happen to be of the same belifes as you
As for the Inquisition, that was the Roman-Catholic attempt to crush the threats to their rule(Actual printings of the bible in the hands of the common folk, true Christians and Jews, as well as Muslims which had converted to Christianity). [/B][/QUOTE] care to give examples? I've never heard of the Roman Catholics attempting to stop printed bibles form reaching the masses
in that case I advise you to research the midlde ages more closselly, for it was often that it was the common folks of a town who would be at the forefront to see non christians killed or forced into conversion
care to give an example? yes, there are inds supporting the historical accuracy of event- but then there is nothing to prove if the religion even has a hint of truth it what so ever
I never asked you to, nor never will, for I would not do the same either
I've found on almost every message board, and in real, everyday life, that people are indoctrinated into thinking that:
Christians and Jews= Evil and Every other religion=Good
And I'm downright tired of so called Christians who are afraid to stand up for their believes in fear of being labeled "Intolerant"
If Xens gonna say something like "Monotheistic Religions are bad, Polytheistic are all Good and Tolerant by their very nature"[/B][/QUOTE] I never said Judaism was bad, far from it, it is only a few specifics that made me leave that religion when I was a part of it, it is christianity that I have my great qualms with
its a rebuttle against something I didnt start- you dont like it, tough nuggets
simple fact- not doing somthig dosent mean it stops, as for being offended- I'm not, in truth, I dont really know how a true anicent Egyptian would react, but to let them go unrepresented at all is just wrong, someone needs to stick up for them, so I will the only way I know how
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
and there is the story of how the hebrew god caused a man to go through great suffering and hardship just to prove somthing to the one know as satan there is the tale of how after a battle, the hebrews killed evey last man, and took the women as slaves because there belifes were differnt, there is the tale of how
Those people who enjoyed the killing of "heathens" were not saved. And neither was the "Protestants" who caused the suffering of native peoples. All of these so called "Christians" are rotting in Hell now.
And the Bible was banned by the Catholic Church, as were any in possession of it(THe Real Christians). You need to study your history my friend.
1. Actually God did not cause Job to go threw hardship, Satan did. God allowed it to happen because he knew that Job would triumph in the end and then the Lord blessed him four times over for his Rightiousness and resistance to evil. Job was a hero.
We oftentimes blame God for things that go wrong in our lives. When in reality, its evil and our fallen world that cause bad things to happen to us.
But remember that God can take a bad situation and make it turn out good for those who trust in him.
God bless you, and I will pray for you that you will see the truth. And the Truth, as it is written, shall set you free...
I enjoyed our discussion. Have a happy new year and God Bless.
Those people who enjoyed the killing of "heathens" were not saved. And neither was the "Protestants" who caused the suffering of native peoples. All of these so called "Christians" are rotting in Hell now.
And the Bible was banned by the Catholic Church, as were any in possession of it(THe Real Christians). You need to study your history my friend.
1. Actually God did not cause Job to go threw hardship, Satan did. God allowed it to happen because he knew that Job would triumph in the end and then the Lord blessed him four times over for his Rightiousness and resistance to evil. Job was a hero.
We oftentimes blame God for things that go wrong in our lives. When in reality, its evil and our fallen world that cause bad things to happen to us.
But remember that God can take a bad situation and make it turn out good for those who trust in him.
God bless you, and I will pray for you that you will see the truth. And the Truth, as it is written, shall set you free...
I enjoyed our discussion. Have a happy new year and God Bless.
OK gang, IIRC this thread is "Kal-el's Unit Concept Sketches".
I think we've all seen too many threads degenerate into non-debates over intractable matters of religious belief, and AFAIK no one has ever converted to oh, say, Zoroastrianism as a result.
So please let's keep this on topic -- IMHO Kal-el's work is simply too fine to derail -- and remove the extraneous matters elsewhere like the OT forum.
Happy Holidays and Holy Days of Every Stripe to Everyone,
Oz
I think we've all seen too many threads degenerate into non-debates over intractable matters of religious belief, and AFAIK no one has ever converted to oh, say, Zoroastrianism as a result.
So please let's keep this on topic -- IMHO Kal-el's work is simply too fine to derail -- and remove the extraneous matters elsewhere like the OT forum.
Happy Holidays and Holy Days of Every Stripe to Everyone,
Oz
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
I agree. But rest assured that the discussion is over.
Now, back to the most important consideration of today:
ADD Llama Warriors!!!!!!!! to the Central and South American civilizations!!
Besides, who doesn't love Llamas?
Now, back to the most important consideration of today:
ADD Llama Warriors!!!!!!!! to the Central and South American civilizations!!
Besides, who doesn't love Llamas?
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