FriendlyFire
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Nah Trump is such smart stable genius and that every stupid idiot thing he says and dose is a actually just "joke". and hes is just trolling the Liberals and FBI.
Postmortem on Mueller
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Nah Trump is such smart stable genius and that every stupid idiot thing he says and dose is a actually just "joke". and hes is just trolling the Liberals and FBI.
Old Hippy
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no giving you a chance to help Nadler to advance his investigation... after all we all want the Truth...
and the Ukraine is not Russia...
@FriendlyFire .... umbrellas are what the Fisa declass will expose... still trying to change the subject i see...
I posted your evidence btw. And when Chernobyl happened it was Russian. If you are really an Old Hippy, you would know that.
Berzerker
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I learned my lesson, I left him a comment attached to his video explaining what I was told here about his mistake.
I'm still not sure what Russia did. They supposedly stole DNC emails but Wikileaks said they didn't get emails from Russia. But if they did I'm torn, it was theft but it exposed corruption and election rigging. Should I get mad at Daniel Ellsburg for the Pentagon Papers? I'm not. The Russian troll farms appear to be a ridiculous accusation that got Mueller in trouble with a judge. Money is everywhere and going to both parties and shouldn't be allowed. But what if China retaliates for Trump's tariffs by targeting red states with their own trade restrictions? I'm okay with that. I'd have to give specific cases some thought before taking a position. What I do not like is a political campaign sending their oppo research to the FBI to spark an investigation before an election. Heads should roll for that.
The DNC said their system was hacked but wouldn't let the Obama NSA/DoJ investigate their servers. Instead the DNC had their private contractors (Crowdstrike?) do the analysis which they selectively shared with the FBI. Skeptics reasoned they did that so the FBI wouldn't see how the DNC rigged the election, or, because it was an insider leak and not a hack and the FBI would find out.
Some of this depends on when the DNC and Clinton campaign decided to create this conspiracy between Trump and Putin, was it right after Wiki announced they'd be publishing emails? Or was it after they lost the election and needed an excuse? Maybe they decided to link Trump to Putin before the Trump Tower meeting and it was set up to start painting that picture.
One of the things Dore and Mate brought out in that video is according to Mueller's report the Russians didn't even know how to get in contact with Trump after he won the election. How is that possible if they were conspiring before the election?
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Soviet.
You lived through the Cold War, surely you would know that the RSFSR was a constituent member of the USSR, as was the UkSSR.
Technically correct, but the Soviet Union was run by Russians and even though it was called USSR, the nationality was Russian.
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as an Old lefty Hippy I know it was another attempt of a lefty Soviet cover up of the full extent of their actions... as you point out they were 'technically' Ukrainians who were also 'technically ' Soviet lefties
If you posted the evidence of the Russian DNC hack I would be most grateful if you could point me to the post... I could save the prosecutors of Roger Stone the money they are spending to prevent him from discovering if the DNC was hacked in his legal defense
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thank you... i will forward you post to Roger Stone's prosecutors... they might want the source of your evidence tho... just saying
You might have access to actual FBI files from your FSB connections, but I don't. do you have a reason to disbelieve what is in the Mueller report regarding the DNC hack?
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do i have a reason to disbelieve what was in the Mueller report Yes because the FBI did not do their job properly...
I don't have anyway of asking the FSB
So I will rely on the US congress as your evidence is not FBI evidence as the FBI never examined the severs they relied on "Cloudstike's ' evidence ... they are still the DNC"s official cyber security firm last time I looked into it... you would think they would chance them after their outstanding track record at doing their job
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Berzerker
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Wait a minute, the Russians are doing all this hacking and never went after Clinton until Trump's speech?
That does not compute...
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Okay, if the DNC did its own forensics and did not submit their servers to the FBI, I can see how that would lead people to take issue with this section of the report. And no, I do not have a damn forensics lab or a mirror of the DNC servers, so I will not venture an opinion on which is true, the Mueller report's version where the Russians hacked the DNC, or the insider leak theory.
The Mueller report (or on this matter, the CrowdStrike report) is quite detailed on the nature of the hack. By contrast the insider leak theory is only supported by one or two things: e.g., like how the data transfer rates from the email server would have only been possible with USB. I would incline towards believing the DNC here, even though they had every possible incentive to fabricate all of this.
It seems people were making noise about this, and about Russia having Clinton's emails, in April 2016. But Trump's ill-humored "asking Russia to hack Hillary" did not happen until a press conference in July that year. So there goes that bit of collusion.
Pretty much a disaster.
I really doubt the Mueller report was overhyped by chance. Anyone naive enough to believe Russia is the one foreign state more able (or indeed having done so in practice) to influence US elections... must be living in another planet. I wonder when there will be a similar investigation on Saudi or (god forbid) Israel influencing US elections or half of US politicians from both parties of this duopoly...
I really doubt the Mueller report was overhyped by chance. Anyone naive enough to believe Russia is the one foreign state more able (or indeed having done so in practice) to influence US elections... must be living in another planet. I wonder when there will be a similar investigation on Saudi or (god forbid) Israel influencing US elections or half of US politicians from both parties of this duopoly...
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I think you vastly under estimate the amount of money Russia has and is willing to throw around. . . The House of Saud certainly influences our politicians the same ways the Russians do, hell the Russians probably learned a lot just watching the House of Saud, but buy politicians and tampering with the elections are two very different things although I consider both to be despicable.
Traitorfish
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The office of the General Secretary of the Communist Party, the de facto head of the Soviet government, was filled by ethnic non-Russians from 1922 to 1982.
brennan
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Stalin declared everybody in the USSR to be Soviet.
Khrushchev was Russian.
Khrushchev was Russian.
Chernobyl was 1986.
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Sure, other countries try and sway us through different means. What's unique was the massive propogranda, disinformation and election-security breaches undertaken by Russia. They attempted to get into all 50 state's election systems and succeeded in a few cases, though it's not known (and unlikely) that they directly tampered with votes. They did successfully infiltrate social media networks and planted fake stories, upvoted with fake followers and even orchestrated fake rallies which in a few cases became real rallies. This was in addition to hacking into one parties email system and dumping that information to discredit that party. They also sought to sow racial discord by infiltrating various groups and posting highly inflammatory (and usually false) information.
It was quite an impressive, comprehensive and highly disruptive intelligence attack on our country that we're still reeling from. The Mueller report doesn't need any hyping to be massively impactful; the facts speak for themselves. By downplaying the impact of the report as you have, you are playing into the intelligence efforts to sow discord unwittingly. Even claiming that the report should have taken down the President is not hyperbole as with any other government it absolutely would have ended in impeachment. That it hasn't is in part due to the success of that same intelligence attack on the country which has helped foster an unbelievable amount of willful ignorance. Not only is the willful ignorance a sign of success of the attack, the GOP intransigence itself is another sign of success of the attack. At this point they can't very well back down on their full-throated defense of all things Trump without implicating themselves as having benefitted (unknowingly or otherwise) from the attack.
