Spanking in class - yeah or nay?

[SS-18 ICBM]

Academic misbehaviour must have academic punishments. It would be as strange as demanding a fine for plagiarism in a term paper.

 

[Skwink]

I initially thought this thread was gonna be much, much grosser.

 

[Farm Boy]

You could argue the same for the teacher handing the kid a crack pipe and forcing them to smoke it (with the parents' consent).
Spanking has almost exclusively adverse effects (except for the very short term) and is quite harmful to a child's development especially in terms of social adaptivity and discipline. It's one of the most awesome predictors of virtually everything that can go wrong with a kid's life (including the use of a crack pipe).
You can smoke all through pregnancy and chances are you are doing your kid less harm.
And that's actually where you have to place the motivation of those who do the spanking: Incompetence, convenience and a sense of entitlement. Their utter misconception of conditioning only acts as a rationalisation.

Partially because smoking cigarettes while pregnant has measurable risks, but in the wide wide world of risks that is life, it's relatively minor.

More to the point you are addressing that sentence alone without the paragraph that followed.

Parents don't have responsibilities. They have rights and entitlements and may mis-raise their children in any wack way they choose (and then blame the rest of society for the result).
But they never have responsibilities.

If you don't get that you are unfit for any debate on parenthood and/or education in the US.

You better believe any parent that is at all caring, good parent or bad parent, has responsibilities - and they're a blessing. Unless you are extending your definition of parent to include an absent ejaculation donor - in which case there is a total lack of well, parenting.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Yeah, spanking's strange, parent's didn't believe in it so I never was (also didn't believe in grounding, which was kickass as a kid). School spanking is even more bizarre sounding, totally alien to me, wouldn't advocate for it. If a kid is screwing around, punish him some other way than physical violence.

 

[Ondskan]

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[King Kalmah]

Yeah, spanking's strange, parent's didn't believe in it so I never was (also didn't believe in grounding, which was kickass as a kid). School spanking is even more bizarre sounding, totally alien to me, wouldn't advocate for it. If a kid is screwing around, punish him some other way than physical violence.

My parents were into the mental abuse...

So...I'd take sitting in a room by myself anyday then being spanked,but I do think that spanking may help keep bullies in line since they always feel like they are the alpha of any pack....

As far as it going on in the schools...well it depends if the kid is being an idiot/annoyance (shut um up with threats of detention) or if the kid is just setting a bad example... (is fighting/starting chaos(looking at a teachers laptop) then spank um)...

yes I went to school recently...(like 6 years ago)...teachers just threw out detentions left and right and who wants to go to school if you have detention afterwords...?

EDIT can anyone enlighten me as to what "downtown" refers too...umm not sure even how to address this...

 

[Ondskan]

Then don't address it.

 

[CaptainF]

My dad was an awesome teacher, although I never got to have him as one.. (He taught in the same school I went to, but ended up teaching different classes)

I only say this because one time he set the school on fire.

You can betcha that he never hit any students though.. and neither did my mom.

If all he did was setting a public high school on fire, that could in fact be a good thing.

Usually Republicans argue that breaking rules was what has made America great while other people suffered from fascist rules (read: "regulations").

Yeah. It always strikes me as odd how the ones who are all about USA #1 and GO 'MURRCA are frequently the ones who are sticklers for "rules" and especially punishment of the violent sort.

Conveniently forgetting that we were a nation of rule-breakers.

Parents don't have responsibilities. They have rights and entitlements and may mis-raise their children in any wack way they choose (and then blame the rest of society for the result).
But they never have responsibilities.

If you don't get that you are unfit for any debate on parenthood and/or education in the US.

It's sad because it's true. American parents frequently treat their dogs better than they treat their children.

 

[King Kalmah]

It's sad because it's true. American parents frequently treat their dogs better than they treat their children.

Trust me it is for the best...so that we may raise our own children better then they did to us....

gotta love the whole MTV ruined my kid argument...wait thats an old one...

umm Adult Swim and Rap ruined my kids...there thats more modern....

they can't afford a babysitter so they pluck the kids infront of the TV and then its the TV's/society's fault all of a sudden...wow maybe take a look in the mirror and spend time with your kids....

 

[TheLastOne36]

You shouldn't be surprised.

The civilised world:

Spoiler :

Unfortunatly this very convenient map is outdated. Poland has joined the Civilised World by now.

ROFL VENEZUELA CIVILIZED?

 

[cybrxkhan]

I can understand why it's done in some places. I suppose this is because I'm Asian/second generation immigrant, and my parents told me how their teachers used corporal punishment when they were back in the old country (and then my grandparents would say how they had it worse than my parents), so I don't feel as uptight about it as I probably should. I mean, my parents and pretty much all of the Vietnamese I know their generation and older came out fine, so, well...

Still, personally, I'm against it, if only because it's kind of not considered acceptable in America these days. Not to mention that given how it'd be too easy these days for a teacher to be accused of going too far, so having spanking would create more problems than it solves.



That said, this guy I know who graduated in the mid or late 90s or something said he got spanked while he was a senior in high school. This is in Arkansas, by the way. Although he said it didn't really hurt, it was more the humiliation than anything.

 

[JollyRoger]

It does seem a bit odd that so many conservatives want government union thugs to inflict physical punishment on their children.

 

[classical_hero]

Could be worse.

Link to video.

 

[otago]

And thumping students is not very bright, thump the wrong one and you will end on the floor out cold.

That lass should have fixed that sod with a complaint of sexual abuse, did he pull her skirt up ? pull her pants down ?
In other words he was an utter fool for putting himself in a situation where she could have made a complaint that the abuse was sexual.

 

[JollyRoger]

And thumping students is not very bright, thump the wrong one and you will end on the floor out cold.

That lass should have fixed that sod with a complaint of sexual abuse, did he pull her skirt up ? pull her pants down ?
In other words he was an utter fool for putting himself in a situation where she could have made a complaint that the abuse was sexual.

That was the purpose of having the female chaperone as a witness - to stop fraudulent claims of sexual abuse. This is also typically employed in the U.S. medical field, though it does end up a little screwed up - you often see females chaperoning other females examining a male patient, but you would never see a male chaperoning another male in the examination of a female patient - the chaperone in that case would almost always be a female.

 

[Angst]

As a general notice, I got physically and psychologically abused as a child and have suffered depression, anxiety and shyness throughout my childhood and teenage years. It was never stuff that had me enter the mental hospital, but I got it repressed and fixed by experts - slightly at least - and I turned out ok after several thousand Kroner paid by them and the state. Also because I created a quite thick barrier between me and my parents myself. They don't know me personally anymore, and I don't want them to. Ie my girlfriend broke up with me several weeks ago and I haven't told them. I don't plan to either, not before it becomes important. And I still talk to her - I was heartbroken when I was told by her that she was able to return to her parents and talk it through with them and get comforts and hugs. I've never had that relationship because I was basically afraid of my parents. I don't have that relationship with anyone in my family because they turned my big brother cold-hearted and my little brother afraid of people.

The problem is that their intentions were fine (like the idiots advocating this kind of violence) but it just didn't work. So I don't hate them, I just have severe issues with a lot of social situations and, well, them, in a lot of social situations.

Currently I'm living at a place which I'm renting as a part of an apartment. It's owned by a couple that lives in the other side of the apartment, I pay them rent, yadda yadda. But yeah: Every day I return home, about half up the stairs, I jolt from the irrational fear that they might attack me.

Don't hurt your kids, people.

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Btw Ondskan is actually a really good movie about violence and evil.

Is that why your username is Ondskan?

 

[King Kalmah]

I jolt from the irrational fear that they might attack me.

You have an overdeveloped sense of self preservation...seriously...

I have it too...every time someone would try to shake my hand or pat me on the back I always flinched...(molestation is a private hell all on its own...combine it with mental abuse for true fun )sarcasm ends....

Aspergers is the one where you can't make eye contact with people...(reason sun glasses are so cool right BTW)

if anyone out there is wondering/knows of the name for the flight or fight mechanism.....

If anyone is curious why I support this is because I only advocate violence against the bullies/s that deserve it....

 

[Leoreth]

Parents don't have responsibilities. They have rights and entitlements and may mis-raise their children in any wack way they choose (and then blame the rest of society for the result).
But they never have responsibilities.

If you don't get that you are unfit for any debate on parenthood and/or education in the US.

Or education in general. Shifting parental responsibilities to education facilities is not a solely American phenomenon.

It does seem a bit odd that so many conservatives want government union thugs to inflict physical punishment on their children.

Insert TF comment about all government action relying on violence.

 

[Yeekim]

My point is that, even if I go into a restaurant or something, and acting like a braying jackass, if somebody hits me with a ruler, or flicks me on the ear, that is assault. It's simply not acceptable.

I don't think we should allow something similar to be handed out to children, because they're children.

You seriously can't think of anything you could possibly do in a restaurant that would most likely bring along some physical retribution quite a bit more serious than a flick on the ear?

How about you try finding a local bikers' pub and attempt to pee into someone's beer?

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

I suspect this may be one of those weird instances where my gut reaction tells me "of course corporal punishment is wrong! It's archaic and is a pale substitute for good discipline in school"

Then I realize I copped it a few times and there was no harm done. In fact I once opted for it instead of a Saturday detention so that I could still play footy.

But my experience hardly dictates that "corporal punishment is ok" follows accordingly.