Spanking in class - yeah or nay?

[Truronian]

Corporal punishment in schools is utterly hypocritical and ineffective as a means of behaviour management.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I really like that this is a multiple-choice poll so I can voice both my disdain for corporal punishment (corporal punishment! *salutes*) and my appreciation of Maggie Gyllenhaal in The Secretary

You're welcome. I know I'm not the only one, who, upon hearing/reading 'spanking', immediately thinks of Maggie bent over a desk.

 

[GenMarshall]

It should be made illegal, no child deserves to be spanked!

 

[Farm Boy]

It should be made illegal, no child deserves to be spanked!

I wouldn't go this far. Certainly no child deserves to be abused. But even if it was through childish ignorance and bullheadedness I certainly when young was very intent on not being dissuaded from behaviors from time to time that could have harmed myself or another. If reason fails with a child(and it can), sometimes a painful but not injurious lesson may be helpful in bringing the lesson home. I'm talking a rap with a ruler or an ear-flick though, not a full on beating or anything.

 

[innonimatu]

Amazing. I wouldn't even believe it if it was a single person telling me about it, but it looks like this is actually legal and common there! America can still surprise me and it never seems to be with good things...

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Amazing. I wouldn't even believe it if it was a single person telling me about it, but it looks like this is actually legal and common there! America can still surprise me and it never seems to be with good things...

I wouldn't say it was exactly common.

I wouldn't go this far. Certainly no child deserves to be abused. But even if it was through childish ignorance and bullheadedness I certainly when young was very intent on not being dissuaded from behaviors from time to time that could have harmed myself or another. If reason fails with a child(and it can), sometimes a painful but not injurious lesson may be helpful in bringing the lesson home. I'm talking a rap with a ruler or an ear-flick though, not a full on beating or anything.

You really can't think of any better ways to deal with an unruly child?

 

[History_Buff]

I wouldn't go this far. Certainly no child deserves to be abused. But even if it was through childish ignorance and bullheadedness I certainly when young was very intent on not being dissuaded from behaviors from time to time that could have harmed myself or another. If reason fails with a child(and it can), sometimes a painful but not injurious lesson may be helpful in bringing the lesson home. I'm talking a rap with a ruler or an ear-flick though, not a full on beating or anything.

I wouldn't go this far. Certainly no adult deserves to be abused. But even if it was through stubborn ignorance and bullheadedness I certainly am very intent on not being dissuaded from behaviors from time to time that could have harmed myself or another. If reason fails with an adult(and it can), sometimes a painful but not injurious lesson may be helpful in bringing the lesson home. I'm talking a rap with a ruler or an ear-flick though, not a full on beating or anything.


What you're basically saying is that children shouldn't enjoy basic legal protection. Which is nonsense.

 

[AlpsStranger]

I googled that secretary clip since I've never seen that movie... WoW! I just don't know what to say.

 

[shadowplay]

I had no idea this was even still in practice anywhere in the United States. In high school even? Bizarre and creepy.

 

[Yeekim]

I wouldn't go this far. Certainly no adult deserves to be abused. But even if it was through stubborn ignorance and bullheadedness I certainly am very intent on not being dissuaded from behaviors from time to time that could have harmed another. If reason fails with an adult(and it can), sometimes a painful lesson may be helpful in bringing the lesson home. I'm talking about kicking one's teeth in, for starters.

Corrected you here.

Anyway, the US still utilizes death penalty (although that is proably preferable to a lifetime in average US jail) - and then you say "basic legal protection" should invalidate corporal punishment? WTH

Although I grant that spanking in high school is downright bizarre.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Corrected you here.

Anyway, the US still utilizes death penalty (although that is proably preferable to a lifetime in average US jail) - and then you say "basic legal protection" should invalidate corporal punishment? WTH

Although I grant that spanking in high school is downright bizarre.

We don't all agree with the death penalty.

I googled that secretary clip since I've never seen that movie... WoW! I just don't know what to say.

Watch it. Good movie, very erotic.

 

[CaptainF]

I dunno about the rest of y'all but my high school teachers were the worst. Drunk (during class), bitter, angry little tinpot authoritarians. Letting such terrible people hit children is disgusting.

Using violence against someone weaker/smaller than you just turns my stomach. Only barbarians advocate such cruelty, and should be appropriately shamed and denounced.

Of course, I shouldn't be surprised given that it's Texas we're talking about, home of all things stupid and regressive.

If a teacher in highschool tried to hit me, I would have defended myself appropriately.

Yuuuuuup.

 

[History_Buff]

Corrected you here.

Anyway, the US still utilizes death penalty (although that is proably preferable to a lifetime in average US jail) - and then you say "basic legal protection" should invalidate corporal punishment? WTH

Although I grant that spanking in high school is downright bizarre.

My point is that, even if I go into a restaurant or something, and acting like a braying jackass, if somebody hits me with a ruler, or flicks me on the ear, that is assault. It's simply not acceptable.

I don't think we should allow something similar to be handed out to children, because they're children.

 

[AlpsStranger]

It's in the Bible, people!

Then spare the rod and spoil the child - Part We Made Up 3:16

 

[Leoreth]

I wouldn't go this far. Certainly no child deserves to be abused. But even if it was through childish ignorance and bullheadedness I certainly when young was very intent on not being dissuaded from behaviors from time to time that could have harmed myself or another. If reason fails with a child(and it can), sometimes a painful but not injurious lesson may be helpful in bringing the lesson home. I'm talking a rap with a ruler or an ear-flick though, not a full on beating or anything.

I don't really agree with this, but even if I would, it would still not be a teacher's call to resort to violence. They are really not anywhere close to be entitled to decide to "educate" other people's children that way. Teachers exist to impart knowledge, not discipline children.

 

[Angst]

What if children lack the discipline to learn, if I may ask?

 

[Leoreth]

If a teacher in highschool tried to hit me, I would have defended myself appropriately.

Why did I read "hit on me"?

What if children lack the discipline to learn, if I may ask?

Inform their parents. If they distract the class, throw them out, then inform the parents.

You can't force children to learn, education can only be offered, but the offer must be accepted. Of course not all children can make this decision in an informed way, but in my opinion it's their parents job to sort that out with them then (of course with assistence of a teacher if necessary, but never on the teacher's initiative alone).

 

[JollyRoger]

It's in the Bible, people!

Then spare the rod and spoil the child - Part We Made Up 3:16

At least I can beat my employee:

And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

 

[warpus]

I dunno. I'm inclined to say no since it isn't the teachers responsibility to administer the spankings.

I'll tell you though that I did get swatted in the face by a teacher in kindergarten in Singapore for being a smart guy though! Not only that, she had the gem turned on the inside so it actually drew blood on my cheek. Naturally my folks were furious, I'm told that my mom actually saw the teacher in the same grocery store while I was with her and started screaming at her and naturally they tried to sue the school but the way it was set up in Singapore, there had to be a consensus by the school administration to allow it to happen and naturally all the teachers protected her.

Ugh...

My parents were teachers at my school and were powerless to do anything to stop the abuse because their jobs were on the line.

I dunno about the rest of y'all but my high school teachers were the worst.

My dad was an awesome teacher, although I never got to have him as one.. (He taught in the same school I went to, but ended up teaching different classes)

I only say this because one time he set the school on fire.

You can betcha that he never hit any students though.. and neither did my mom.

 

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