Trump's Rump

[Birdjaguar]

 

[Gori the Grey]

Numbers!

We shall call this Specimen 1. (I should probably be doing this someplace else; we need a "Celebrate a Fellow Poster's Posting Style" thread.)

Two crucial aspects of the Farm Boy style are evident here: brevity and obliquity. Most studies of communication, stylometric studies, would not take numerical form, at least not primarily. But most studies of most subjects do take a primarily numerical form. The Farm Boy style casts (or. more precisely, deliberately miscasts) the former as the latter.

This obliquity works in conjunction with the brevity. The post, in limiting itself to a single word, compels assent with its presupposition that studies are inevitably numerical by leaving unmentioned any other form a study might take. One can observe how effectively it does this by noting that the subsequent post was nothing but a list of numbers.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Someone should open an "In celebration of posting" thread to do just that.

 

[Farm Boy]

Hobbs had one, I think. I don't remember.

You know Gori, reading your post I thought of that my son is reading Roald Dahl with his grandmother currently. My wife started him on it.

 

[Gori the Grey]

"Brought to you by CFC" but that's just for individual witty posts, not for whole posting styles maintained over years.

You know Gori, reading your post I thought of that my son is reading Roald Dahl with his grandmother currently. My wife started him on it.

We shall call this Specimen 2.

The quality to be observed here is best likened to the rhetorical device of asyndeton: omission of an expected logical connector. The link on the words "your post" is to Gene Wilder singing "Pure Imagination" in Willy Wonka. The implication is that the qualities I disclose in the Farm Boy posting style are merely figments of my own imagination and not concrete, identifiable features of his own writing.

Remember, everyone, there will be a quiz on this material when we return to class after Thanksgiving..

 

[El_Machinae]

Watch: https://twitter.com/nvgop/status/1326211270672936960?lang=en

Read: https://apnews.com/article/las-vegas-voting-elections-7ed20d34a2fcf7185db6a144a8f1d665



“Disbelief” and “sickening”, yeah that covers it.

So, it's not so much that (R) are more likely to cheat, but it's the psychological grooming that mattered. When people are sure that the 'other side' is doing something immoral, some people on your side will be tempted to mimic the behavior under the excuse that it's 'balancing things out'. The tactical beauty of Trump always screaming about cheating Dems is that it caused Dems to be less likely to cheat (or take pains to avoid the impression thereof) but also causes Repubs to be more likely to cheat. Since cheaters are only a subset of any specific population, the effect could be very small in a stable society. In a less stable society, the effect is larger.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Yeah, no, it really is just (R)s who are more likely to do that kind of crap.

You're not wrong about what Trump was trying to achieve, but that proves my point as well because it's particularly an (R) who adopted this sleazy tactic.

Sleazy because it has deleterious effects beyond just this marginal disadvantaging of Ds as they struggle to keep their noses clean. It undercuts the very thing we need for a democracy to function: faith in the results of elections.

And that was done by an (R) and only an (R).

 

[El_Machinae]

I didn't want to bother to determine whether leftwing or rightwing movements had more instances of ballotbox fraud, historically.

It's something done by True Believers

 

[Ferocitus]

Trump was so delighted at being awarded a 9th Dan Black Belt in Taekwondo last week, he took the donor
for a drive in his imaginary car.

 

[Berzerker]

Rigged primary vs Sanders
Lied to the FBI and a Fisa court to spy on Trump before the 2016 election
Impeached Trump for investigating their corruption in Ukraine
Sponsored hundreds of riots during the summer of love

Democrats believe in fair elections

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[FriendlyFire]

Might be new criminal charges, but there should be fines at the least
Pretty ovious that there is tax fraud going on

N.Y. prosecutors set sights on new Trump target: Widely different valuations on the same properties
The Trump Organization owns an office building at 40 Wall Street in Manhattan. In 2012, when the company was listing its assets for potential lenders, it said the building was worth $527 million — which would make it among the most valuable in New York.
But just a few months later, the Trump Organization told property tax officials that the entire 70-story building was worth less than a high-end Manhattan condo: just $16.7 million, according to newly released city records.
Among the other properties under scrutiny: former president Donald Trump’s California golf club, for which he valued the same parcel of land at $900,000 and $25 million depending on the intended audience, and an estate in suburban New York, for which Trump’s valuations ranged from $56 million up to $291 million. The valuations were all given in the five years before Trump won the presidency.

They have also sought detailed records from two outside companies that worked with the Trump Organization to formulate these valuations: appraisal firm Cushman & Wakefield and law firm Morgan Lewis. In court filings, prosecutors have referred to emails in which they said Trump executives or a Morgan Lewis lawyer pushed appraisers to change their findings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c15850-4706-11ec-95dc-5f2a96e00fa3_story.html

 

[Gorbles]

Rigged primary vs Sanders
Lied to the FBI and a Fisa court to spy on Trump before the 2016 election
Impeached Trump for investigating their corruption in Ukraine
Sponsored hundreds of riots during the summer of love

Democrats believe in fair elections

I realise you like posting these word salads anytime anyone criticises the Republican Party, nomatter how justified they might be, but I recommend reading El_Machinae's post, a few posts up. You know, if you're not a diehard Republican, which you always say you're not, and you have an open mind, which you always say you do.

 

[Aiken_Drumn]

Can someone give me the lowdown on the top few cases crawling to an actual courtroom involving Drumpf? Will we ever see him in the stand?

 

[Birdjaguar]

GA: election interfering
NY: Insurance fraud; Tax fraud; Corruption

 

[Aiken_Drumn]

GA: election interfering
NY: Insurance fraud; Tax fraud; Corruption

Within 2022..or could it take years and years for any to actually progress?

 

[Birdjaguar]

All are moving ahead as we speak. Indictments could come as soon as tomorrow! or take until early next year. Prosecutors move at their own pace.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Judge orders two lawyers who filed suit challenging 2020 election to pay hefty fees: ‘They need to take responsibility’

A federal judge has ordered two Colorado lawyers who filed a lawsuit late last year challenging the 2020 election results to pay nearly $187,000 to defray the legal fees of groups they sued, arguing that the hefty penalty was proper to deter others from using frivolous suits to undermine the democratic system.

“As officers of the Court, these attorneys have a higher duty and calling that requires meaningful investigation before prematurely repeating in court pleadings unverified and uninvestigated defamatory rumors that strike at the heart of our democratic system and were used by others to foment a violent insurrection that threatened our system of government,” wrote Magistrate Judge N. Reid Neureiter.

“They are experienced lawyers who should have known better. They need to take responsibility for their misconduct,” he wrote.

Read the judge’s order

The two lawyers, Gary D. Fielder and Ernest John Walker, filed the case in December 2020 as a class action on behalf of 160 million American voters, alleging there was a complicated plot to steal the election from President Donald Trump and give the victory to Joe Biden. The two argued that a scheme was engineered by the voting machine vendor Dominion Voting Systems; the tech company Facebook, its founder Mark Zuckerberg and his wife, Priscilla Chan; and elected officials in four states. They had sought $160 billion in damages.

Their case was dismissed in April. In August, Neureiter ruled that the attorneys had violated their ethical obligations by filing it in the first place, arguing that the duo had run afoul of legal rules that prohibit clogging the courts with frivolous motions and lodging information in court that is not true. At the time, he called their suit “the stuff of which violent insurrections are made,” alleging they made little effort to determine the truth of their conspiratorial claims before filing them in court. He ordered them to pay the legal fees of all of the many entities that they had sued.

The two did not respond to a request for comment Monday but have previously argued that their suit was not filed in bad faith. They have appealed Neureiter’s order that they be penalized. In Monday’s order, Neureiter said the lawyers should pay just over $11,000 to cover the legal fees of the states of Michigan and Pennsylvania, both defendants in the suit, a dollar figure the duo had agreed was fair. The two lawyers had balked, however, at far higher fees requested by three other entities: Facebook, Dominion Voting Systems and the Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL), an election reform advocacy group that has received funding from Zuckerberg and Chan.

In a 21-page order Monday, Neureiter ordered that Fielder and Walker pay $50,000 to Facebook and $62,930 each to Dominion and CTCL, arguing that billing records submitted by the group showed the fees were reasonable given the prominence of the lawyers who worked on the case and the amount of time they spent. What’s more, Neureiter wrote, the hefty fees were appropriate given “the severity of the violation” and because the lawyers had solicited donations from the “arguably innocent and gullible public” to fund their suit. He said he weighed whether the penalties could chill future legitimate lawsuits but concluded that “the repetition of defamatory and potentially dangerous unverified allegations is the kind of ‘advocacy’ that needs to be chilled.”

Neureiter agreed to stay his order, pending the outcome of the lawyers’ appeal. Neureiter’s order is one of the first efforts to put a dollar figure on penalties for lawyers who attempted to use the legal system to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

The Center for Tech and Civic Life provided grants to local governments to help administer elections in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic, grants that have been the subject of criticism and conspiracy theories by Trump supporters. The group’s executive director, Tiana Epps-Johnson, said in a statement that “not a single challenge” to the grant program “has had basis in fact or law,” adding that “another federal judge has agreed.” She called on Congress to appropriate funding to ensure secure elections in 2022.

A spokeswoman for Dominion said the company was “grateful for the court’s findings.” She noted another key finding of the judge, who wrote: “This lawsuit has been an abuse of the legal system and an interference with the machinery of government.” A federal judge in Michigan has ordered that a different group of lawyers that challenged the election, including Sidney Powell and L. Lin Wood, be financially penalized and referred them for grievance proceedings that could result in the loss of law licenses. Dominion has also sued Powell, former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and a number of other individuals and media organizations for defamation, arguing that the company was harmed by false claims its voting machines were manipulated to steal the election from Trump.

In June, a panel of judges in New York suspended Giuliani’s law license, arguing Trump’s personal lawyer had “communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements” that amounted to an ongoing threat to the public. Giuliani’s lawyers have said they are confident his license will be restored after a hearing.

 

[tjs282]

The two did not respond to a request for comment Monday but have previously argued that their suit was not filed in bad faith.

And yet they apparently filed their suit on behalf of all the 80 million Democrat voters whose chosen candidate won, in addition to the 75 million Republican voters who were "cheeted".

Sure, no bad faith there a-tall...

 

[Broken_Erika]

And yet they apparently filed their suit on behalf of all the 80 million Democrat voters whose chosen candidate won, in addition to the 75 million Republican voters who were "cheeted".

Sure, no bad faith there a-tall...

Or they thought that Trump got 160 million votes but massif cheeting happened.