World 2008 development thread.

[DVS]

Anyway, I'm glad to see a lot of people interested in this and sharing good ideas. Hopefully we can hammer out something that makes us all (somewhat) happy.

We should all definitely start using the chat server NikNaks93 has set up for us. I can't do much tonight but I'll see you guys on there tomorrow.

 

[Gooblah]

This sounds really cool! I think I have a few suggestions:

1) Not sure if you finalized the Civilization List, so here goes:

Spoiler :

1 United States of America
2 European Union
3 Canada
4 Mexico
5 Association of SouthEast Asian Nations (ASEAN) (S. Korea, Japan, SE Asia, Indonesia, Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka)
6 African Union
7 Gulf Cooperation Council (Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates)
8 Arab League (Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Palestine)
9 Islamic Republic of Iran
10 Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (US Vassal)
11 Islamic Republic of Iraq (US Vassal)
12 People's Republic of China (would include Mongolia)
13 Israel
14 Russian Federation (would include Armenia, rebellious Georgian provinces)
15 Latin Coalition (Central America, Caribbean States ex Cuba)
16 Socialist American Council (Venezuela, Guyana, Ecuador, Cuba)
17 South American Economic Cooperative (rest of SA)
18 Organization of Caucasian/Asian Nations (OCEAN) (Azerbaijan, Georgia, the 'Stans)

 

[kbrennan7654]

DVS if you havent already id be more than glad to post the raw cities on the map then upload it for you

but if youve already started or are almost finished is there anything else youd like me to do?

 

[Bahmo]

This sounds really cool! I think I have a few suggestions:

1) Not sure if you finalized the Civilization List, so here goes:

Spoiler :

1 United States of America
2 European Union
3 Canada
4 Mexico
5 Association of SouthEast Asian Nations (ASEAN) (S. Korea, Japan, SE Asia, Indonesia, Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka)
6 African Union
7 Gulf Cooperation Council (Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates)
8 Arab League (Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Palestine)
9 Islamic Republic of Iran
10 Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (US Vassal)
11 Islamic Republic of Iraq (US Vassal)
12 People's Republic of China (would include Mongolia)
13 Israel
14 Russian Federation (would include Armenia, rebellious Georgian provinces)
15 Latin Coalition (Central America, Caribbean States ex Cuba)
16 Socialist American Council (Venezuela, Guyana, Ecuador, Cuba)
17 South American Economic Cooperative (rest of SA)
18 Organization of Caucasian/Asian Nations (OCEAN) (Azerbaijan, Georgia, the 'Stans)

Are:
*Vietnam and Cambodia parts of ASEAN?
*Belarus and Ukraine parts of Russia?
Is North Korea its own state?

Also, Niknak's site is hard to navigate. Where exactly is the forum?

 

[Slvynn]

i think you forgot not small countiries like these that should be added - Ukraine, Scandinavia + Baltic union - Lithuania - Estonia and Latvia

Ukraine have very different views of Russian , as for now, As well as All Baltic Countires....
What with Romania and all east european contriest that are not Euro?

 

[Gooblah]

Finland, Denmark, and Sweden are part of the EU already, as are the Baltic states (IIRC). Ukraine is leaning towards Europe and North America, since the new government is more western/progressive, and is trying to get out of the Russian years.

Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, and Vietnam would fall into ASEAN

Belarus would merge with Russia

North Korea I'm planning on merging with PRC, but we could also go for a separate N. Korea. This would make 19 Civilizations, something I know my computer probably can't handle (sob)

 

[NwabudikeMorgan]

It's easier to get on the forum niknak set up if you just google Spark Chat and download it, then follow the rest of his instructions.

 

[Kao'chai]

please look for ASEAN in wiki , that will unify the southeast asian countries

 

[Bahmo]

North Korea I'm planning on merging with PRC, but we could also go for a separate N. Korea. This would make 19 Civilizations, something I know my computer probably can't handle (sob)

I say, keep NK rogue, and have it be possible to merge with either China, or whatever Civ South Korea is part of.

Back to the northern Stan Civilization, for a second: should it maybe be unified to Mongolia, instead of China? Mongolia has a lot of ties to these countries, which were at the hub of their empire.

Edit: I downloaded Spark, and it asks for server name. Where do I go from there?

 

[-Raynor-]

I kinda like Gooblah'S list, but few things I'd change.

1. Why would Iraq and Afghanistan be independent? I think that there are more insteresting conflicts or possible conflicts, both wars could be simulated by hostile barbarian civ.
2. Maybe unrealistic, but nobody still answered me why not to include UK, Australia and Canada into Commonwealth.
3. No Taiwan, no North Korea, no Sudan, no independent Pakistan. My idea is that there would be most of the world splited into few superpowers (USA, EU, Russia, China, India, regional unions like African Union, etc.) but there would be few hot spot civs/states, like Taiwan, Pakistan, Sudan or North Korea, where something would gonna wrong and trigger big or even world war.
I understand the 40 civs thing, but I'm afraid I won't be able to play it...

PS. I'm gonna download Spark tommorow, but I don't quite understand why not to create some phpBB forum...

 

[ianinsane]

2. Maybe unrealistic, but nobody still answered me why not to include UK, Australia and Canada into Commonwealth.

Britons, Australians and Canadians correct me if I'm wrong but in this millennium all of these countries AFAIK have stronger ties to their regional partners than to the Commonwealth (UK to EU, Australia with its turning to Asia and role as a regional superpower in oceania/south east asia and Canada with USA and NAFTA). IMO the importance of the Commonwealth today is one of the lowest among all international organisations.
And by the way: If opening a Commonwealth civ...shouldn't be also India, South Africa, Pakistan and a lot of African countries be included, too?

 

[-Raynor-]

Well, I propably don't see into Commonwealth as much as you do, but I think that in game, and in future, the possibility that India become independent superpower is much bigger than possibility that Canada or Australia become the same superpower. Also, Pakistan in my idea is one of hot spot, and India is propably a bit more far away from western civilization than Canada or Australia.

South Africa was included in my Commonwealth idea.

It's just playability cut, nothing else, that my Commonwealth idea does not include all Commonwealth members. NATO in original idea for this mod also in reality doesn't lead whole UK and European Union in reality also is not much able to unite themselves, and still we get EU together and we still gonna let London to be "NATO civilization capital city."

 

[Ajidica]

DVS420: What are the civs we are using? Is it the shorter list or the expanded list? There can be multiple 'peaceful barbarians', so there can be one group for SE Asia, Africa , and other places.

Once I get the civ list in its (close to) final form, getting the basic map shouldn't be more than 2 weeks.

 

[Soduka]

Right on Bahmo, glad to have your input.

We had originally been looking at GK's giant earth map so we could have it as real as possible, but decided that it was too big, it would be too slow with the number of civs and units this thing is going to require. Have you played large games on that map without too much trouble?

Cultural nodes- brilliant idea. If that is something I can pull off, it will be in there. If you want to help get it done that would be unreal.

Also a good idea solving my problem with civics. There are a few reasons I was hoping to use unique buildings. North Korea is an extreme example. On this map the entire country is going to be three or four cities, and they have a huge military. (We're trying to represent all the real world militaries as closely as we can). If we give them a civic that lets them create that large a military, with negative effects that don't totally cripple the cities it does have, wouldn't every other civ be able to easily switch over and create a huge military with relatively little lost? The few NK cities we do have can't all have a tiny population, so I'm just wondering what price we add to this civic that wouldn't destroy NK, but would prevent every other country from flipping to military dictatorship and building huge amounts of units.


and thanks for supporting this project

Don't know if this has been answered, but you COULD make an unresearchable tech give that civic option, and just give the tech to that nation from the beginning. Although, the more realistic and fun thing to do is just make the consequences of using that tech very bad for any would-be crazy nuclear-power on the prowl.

Questions:

Will you be including the Revolution mod and Dale's Combat Mod? Both of those are wonderful game play enhancers.

What of Brazil, and all the little(er) guys still left?

Will you be using an Earth map with an enlarged Europe?

 

[Ajidica]

The map we are using is Rhyse enlarged europe map. I tried GEM, but even for my decent comp, it was minute+ turn waits. Load times were horrendus.

 

[NwabudikeMorgan]

Wow, that's crazy, and again, for exactly this reason I think we should look more towards making more peaceful barbs and less actual nations, because nobody likes minute long waits.

@DVS420--when are we gonna have those XML files to start tinkering with?

 

[Soduka]

Wow, that's crazy, and again, for exactly this reason I think we should look more towards making more peaceful barbs and less actual nations, because nobody likes minute long waits.

@DVS420--when are we gonna have those XML files to start tinkering with?

I don't have a problem with that, but only if it applies to Africa really. I believe the rest of the world will either fall under a Union/alliance of some sort or a proper country. I would say like the rest of this thread, have two types of Barbarians who are enemies. The peaceful ones in Africa would constantly be harassed by the raging ones.

 

[NwabudikeMorgan]

of course, the peaceful barbs (or minor nations if we chose to XML it that way) would be just as likely to be attacked as anyone.

 

[Supa]

Wow, that's crazy, and again, for exactly this reason I think we should look more towards making more peaceful barbs and less actual nations, because nobody likes minute long waits.

Actually, I wouldn't mind a version of the mod with a lot of countries and long turns. It should be interesting, even it's only for 10-15 turns a day. =)

 

[ianinsane]

Once I get the civ list in its (close to) final form, getting the basic map shouldn't be more than 2 weeks.

Do you need any help with that? Like researching cities and city sizes or something else?

Actually, I wouldn't mind a version of the mod with a lot of countries and long turns. It should be interesting, even it's only for 10-15 turns a day. =)

I'm totally with you!