Angst
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Also, non-Americans smoke more, which makes them more vulnerable to COVID. They also drink more too, but I don't know how much that factors in.
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Also, non-Americans smoke more, which makes them more vulnerable to COVID. They also drink more too, but I don't know how much that factors in.
Zardnaar
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I think Americans smoke more than we do. It's a lot cheaper they're around $20 USD a pack here now.
Angst
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My research is a few years old, and it doesn't compare directly with New Zealand, but the West in general. So you may be right in regards to just that nation.
Berzerker
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I had the N95 one way valve masks for construction work before the virus hit but I gave most of them to my doc's office and waited for the stores to restock. I think it was late March when our local golf courses shut down for a month and stores began requiring masks soon after that, so maybe March/April would have been when I started wearing them. Closing golf courses was stupid, but I did get to see our Gov Kelly and former Gov Sebellius on my home course when it reopened. yay
I understand why Fauci et al lied to us. Blaming Trump and ignoring the bipartisan nature of the lie is dangerous and hypocritical. As others have said, they should have told us the truth and provided ideas for people to make their own masks. Biden ran on trusting the people who lied to us while accusing Trump of not listening to them. Trump did listen to them and so did Biden and the Democrats and media - they all spread the lie. Now some are trying to rewrite history to blame only Trump for covid deaths. I remember watching politicians and pundits across the political spectrum downplaying the problem.
Trump's word has nothing to do with Cuomo or Pelosi, she's on tape inviting people to Chinatown and nobody in the crowd around her was wearing a mask.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/politics/andrew-cuomo-nursing-homes-fact-check/index.html
You blamed only Trump, that shifts blame away from people who deserve it too.
Trump can get away with shooting someone on 5th Avenue and Biden got away with destroying entire countries. And a million deaths later you still voted for a mass murderer... Please continue lecturing us about evil.
Fauci wasn't alone, he just admitted to what happened. The medical establishment feared a run on PPE so Trump, both parties and the media downplayed the virus and masks.
Biden said he will hire Fauci too, but policy was dictated by many people... 50 governors, state legislatures and courts, mayors, bureaucrats, etc. If the governor of NY sends sick people into nursing homes, who is responsible for the resulting deaths?
The campaign was conducted by Steele, on pay first by the republicans and then by the democrats, against the candidate Trump. And the campaign's propaganda in the media worked so well that you keep believing the "russians did it" thing, even as the claims that it was to "help Trump" have collapsed and you have been forced to admit so. Now you want to believe it was to "denigrate US foreign relations"? The russians wanted the US to denigrate foreign relations with the russians and turn hostile on the russians?How desperate must you be to believe that claim?
One small quibble, its believed Rubio hired Fusion during the primaries but Steele was hired later when the DNC replaced Rubio as Fusion's customer.
Because a youtube video you blocked showed Fauci admitting to a lie and people here are debating the matter. Did you block the debate too? The smugnorant dont know what they're missing.
Your link confirms what J said
John Anderson got close to 6m in 1980 so Reagan might have gotten 3-5m from him, but Obama's gain over Kerry came with a drop of 2m from Bush to McCain. Here's total ballots cast:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections
The previous record jump of 17m was 2004, the 2008 election had an increase of 9m votes and 2020 is still being counted so wiki has a range of 22m-28m more than 2016. It isn't highly unusual for 1 candidate to get over 10m more, but both? That hasn't ever happened, albeit 2004 was not far off the mark if we ignore Nader's presence.
The Dems got 51m ('00 Nader got 3m), 59m ('04), 69.5m ('08), 66m, ('12), 66m ('16), and 79m ('20)
The GOP got 50.5m ('00), 62m ('04), 60m ('08), 61m ('12), 63m ('16) and 73m ('20)
That probably explains the 2020 turnout, in 2004 Bush's war undoubtedly motivated both the uber patriots and the war's opponents. Sadly for the Dems they nominated someone who voted for the war.
Biden would have saved them though
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Ziggy Stardust
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Biden didn't have rallies that infected tens of thousands and killed hundreds.
But, small price to pay so that the president can bask in his supporter's admiration, isn't it? Those people who died are patriots for giving their lives up so Trump can get the attention he desires.
But, small price to pay so that the president can bask in his supporter's admiration, isn't it? Those people who died are patriots for giving their lives up so Trump can get the attention he desires.
This is a difficult question, as the critical decisions were made by private individuals, those who chose the nursing homes and those that ran them. I would put most of the blame on those who decided that the system should be run as a for profit business. However I understand that is kind of everyone who is elected in the US (and most politicians in the rest of the west), it is a bit hard to point at any particular person.
The system is designed for this to be a civil legal issue? So who's fault it is should be decided by the courts?
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SOME non-Americans smoke and drink more. Not all. Like @Zardnaar pointed out for New Zealanders, Canadians also smokes less on average than Americans, and drink less hard liquor and spirits, at least, and East and Southeast Asians consume far less hard liquor and spirits, too. As extreme exceptions, in Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf Monarchies, Iran, Afghanistan, Brunei, the Northern (Islamic) Nigerian States, and the Sudan, it is illegal to consume, possess, sell, traffic, or smuggle alcohol and tobacco (and all other recreational psychotropic drugs) on pain of death, and other predominantly Islamic nations without such draconian laws still have FAR lower rates of alcohol and tobacco consumption than the U.S. due to religious impact on society and culture, and Bhutan famously, in the '90's, became the first non-predominantly Islamic nation to become legally tobacco-free. Be VERY careful when making such sweeping statements you obviously can't back up with facts.
Zardnaar
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The government here is basically trying to wipe out tobacco smoking.
It's got to the point armed robbers target tobacco over cash.
One pallet of tobacco in warehouse is about 250k. We weren't allowed to go near it managers required to dispatch it.
Mate of mine is a truck drivers most valuable cargo ever was tobacco. Said it was worth about 5 million dollars.
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Cloud_Strife
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its only fraud when liberals and democrats vote
US is 68th on the list and NZ 87th for per capita cigarette consumption in 2020. Both are below the world average.
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First of all, it's your claim... the burden of proof is yours. But even putting that aside... "Prove"? To who? You? This question presupposes your own ability/willingness to accept "proof" that differs from the conclusion you've already emotionally committed to. I deny any such ability/willingness on your part. However, in the interest of being thorough here's Mitt Romney's take courtesy of the Associated Press.
@Zardnaar , how much does a packet of cigarettes cost in NZ?
I googled it and saw something in the order of 36 dollars. Is this NZ dollars? It would still make it cost nearly 20 euros
That's all taxes. Particularly tobacco-producing countries could have had the price be less than 2 euros (as it once was).
I googled it and saw something in the order of 36 dollars. Is this NZ dollars? It would still make it cost nearly 20 euros
That's all taxes. Particularly tobacco-producing countries could have had the price be less than 2 euros (as it once was).
Ziggy Stardust
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The questions which present themselves are:
- If we assume that, we need indications to assume that. Trump claimed voter fraud if he lost 3 months ago. Did he have evidence of voter fraud 3 months ago? He must have had, since he made the claim. Why didn't he present the evidence? He has had 3 months!
- Where is the mountain of evidence the trump campaign says they have? So far they have been laughed out of court. "nonzero observers" and a judge having to explain "hearsay" to a lawyer are the current highlights.
- Why is the Trump campaign promising 25.000 dollar for anyone who comes with conclusive evidence? If they need that, how can they claim voter fraud and claim to have lots of evidence already? (The Texas governor is rewarding a million! With the abundance of evidence (Rudy G) why hasn't that been claimed yet?)
- Why is a significant portion of the money raised in order to fight the result in court used to finance Trump's campaign debt? If he really thinks he has got a shot of winning the election, wouldn't you use all the money for court cases?
The way it looks like now, is that Trump needs money. The claims of fraud are an advertising slogan, for his fundraising campaign, to pay of his debts.
I may be wrong, and you can address any of the questions above to explain to me the logic I'm missing in Trump's claims and his actions.
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Lexicus
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How many fraudulent votes were cast for Republican Senate and House candidates?
Thanks for the link. The original claim was that this election was suspicious because turnout only increases 2 to 3 million per election. The page you link shows that claim to be wrong on its face, as turnout regularly increases much more than that between elections. The other claim was that the 17 million vote increase was suspicious, which as you point out has already happened before, so again, the claim doesn't hold water. As for your attempt to imply that its questionable that both parties enjoyed a 10 million vote increase... again, the Republican increase isn't being questioned, nor are the Republican Congressional wins, so there's nothing to talk about.
The bottom line is that in the last five POTUS elections turnout has been between 50% and 60%. That leaves at least 40% of the vote capacity on the table on an ongoing basis. So an increase of 10 or 20% in turnout is always easily a real possibility, given the correct motivation and circumstances, which the disastrous, catastrophic, and unprecedently polarizing Presidency of Trump has delivered. Higher turnout means more votes cast so both parties received a lot more votes. Its that simple.
Democrats are cutthroat too, so if there was evidence they'd be suing in regions where Trump's margin could be flipped.
But they're not.
Ziggy points out that there have been claims for years. Jay claims there's been leadership. Trump supporters implicitly prefer that a billionaire line his pockets rather than robustly defend the fundamental democracy everyone values.
I point out that Trump has yet to release the evidence that he sent Hawaii investigators.
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Voter fraud is as old as the electoral process (there's plenty of evidence of it in the Roman and Carthaginian Republics of Antiquity), and the only limits on which political parties do and don't, or will and won't do such tends to be level of power, opportunity, and being able to get away with it. As I've often pointed out, both the Democratic Party of the United States and the Republican Party of the United States are engaged TOGETHER in a decades-old scheme of electoral fraud and rigging involving institutional suppression of Third Party and Independent candidates, ballot access, advertising, and FEC funding law that highly discriminates against Third Parties and Independents to favour the Duopoly, Duopoly Party (ONLY) Primary elections handled by PUBLIC (and publicly-funded) electoral mechanisms, under-the-table-incentives to media barons to prioritize Duopoly election coverage and marginalize that of Third Parties and Independents, the FEC and Federal Judges being Bipartisan (and definitely partisan) and not NON-partisan like in most First World Nations, and the wretched relic of an Electoral College - completely obsolete in ALL of it's original for creation. Electoral fraud and rigging is as old as the hill in the U.S., and both Duopoly Parties have been richly benefitting from it.
or his tax returns.
As an aside... after losing the election, Trump was apparently trying to start a war with Iran. One more steaming pile of manure that he'd be leaving the incoming administration with...
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