2020 US Election (Part 3)

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Trump admits to losing in a tweet:

"He won because the Election was Rigged," Trump said in one Sunday morning tweet. In another, he stood by his false belief he may be able to win the election and refused to concede, writing, "I concede NOTHING! We have a long way to go."

Now his "...because the election was rigged." is known to be false, but admitting that he lost is a first step. His follow up tweets just show he still has a ways to go.
 
the son-in-law of the PM said , during the election campaign to boot , that they could claim they would pave a 6 lane road to the Moon and their voters would believe them , possibly on TV but his brother the media mogul will not let you access it now . This is the New , where insulting their own supporters is the constitution .
 
This is what really gets me about headlines such as this (Microsoft says state-backed Russian and North Korean hackers have in recent months tried to steal valuable data from leading pharmaceutical companies and COVID-19 vaccine researchers). Why is critical information about dealing with the corona virus being kept secret? What is the downside of releasing this data to the world? The upside is obvious, speeding up the delivery of the vaccine to everyone. The main downside I can see is that the norks can outcompete pfizer in producing the vaccine, and that seem both very unlikely and actually positive if that means we get the vaccine quicker.

That news source is editorializing - Microsoft did not say that hackers were trying to steal data from vaccine researchers. They made no speculation about the motivation behind the attacks. I suspect that attacks leading to ransomware or data exfiltration for extortion purposes are most likely, hospitals and healthcare organizations have been prime recent targets for those already: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-n...somware-feds-warn-about-cyberattacks-n1245292
 
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Please learn to get your facts straight before you post crap.
Trump actually said on Jan 23, 2016:
No one said that about him; he said it himself. Your "It was said..." is, not surprisingly, wrong.

Sorry, but I don't intend to be obsesses enough about the guy to know everything he said! Whether he joked about it or others had the point stands.
 
Trump admits to losing in a tweet:

"He won because the Election was Rigged," Trump said in one Sunday morning tweet. In another, he stood by his false belief he may be able to win the election and refused to concede, writing, "I concede NOTHING! We have a long way to go."

Now his "...because the election was rigged." is known to be false, but admitting that he lost is a first step. His follow up tweets just show he still has a ways to go.
Nah, Biden "won" the election because he rigged it. However, Trump WON the election because he is great and awesome and not lame Sleepy Joe.
 
If we were talking about true moral responsibility then I may agree with you. However in a democracy, where a single individual is elected to dictate policy and appoint some of the top people of the country, when those appointees turn out to not be what we as voters want then surely there is an electoral responsibility of the person who made the appointments. That is to say, if you do not like the appointments then vote against the person that made them. Otherwise, how does democracy work to determine who gets those roles?

Even in such a system of appointment, responsibility is not that simple. And this applies to any U.S. President, not just Trump. The great majority of Presidential nominees for ANY such position, under any U.S. President, are not actually people that President has not previously met, or even often been personally familiar with, ahead of time. Nominee lists are usually provided by underlings. In Trump's case, his motley crew, mismatched, thrown-together, and, ultimately, revolving door Cabinet and staff prove that this was MORESO the case for Trump than many - maybe not all, but a great many - of his predecessors. In fact, he likely ONLY personally and was greatly familiar with Bannon and his own family members he nominated, and maybe that oil corporate plutocrat he had as Secretary of State for a while, prior to nomination. Also, the appointment is further expanded in responsibility by the fact that the vetting is supposed to be done by Senate during the confirmation hearing, and that all 100 Senators - Republicans, Democrats, and the two Independents who caucus with the Democrats - have a hand in that, even if there's is more diffuse responsibility, than the President and the underlings who provide the actual great majority of nominees in the first place. And, of course, there is the autonomy I mentioned that many of these appointees are accustomed to working under, and department underlings who should be discreetly informing someone if the department head is acting inappropriately or incompetently. And, the appointees themselves have to shoulder responsibility for their own actions, of course. So, even there, the responsibility and blames still pans out into a multifaceted issue, there. And this applies to appointees of ANY U.S. President, not just Trump, of course.
 
Given that the general political partisanship attitude there is "la la la I don't hear you" I'm not surprised. And I don't particularly care. Deal with it.

pot meet kettle?
 
Nah, Biden "won" the election because he rigged it. However, Trump WON the election because he is great and awesome and not lame Sleepy Joe.

I mean its painfully obvious to anyone with a brain that the American populace would lovingly re-elect the BEST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME! and not some sleepy eyed brain dead libural!
 
Given that the general political partisanship attitude there is "la la la I don't hear you" I'm not surprised. And I don't particularly care. Deal with it.

pot meet kettle?

I find this issue much easier to deal with when one's support, backing, and even tolerance, in terms of partisan ideals and political parties is for parties that exist and are considered contenders in one's own country (the New Democratic Party of Canada, in my case), but one considers the only two parties in the U.S. ALLOWED to have a chance of winning by the rigged and non-free-and-fair electoral system that institutional suppresses all Third Party and Independent candidates, and thus all viewpoints and policy ideals outside the narrowing and shrinking bailiwicks of the Duopoly Parties, are neither worthy of support or backing, nor should excoriation and criticism be withheld or restrained. Effectively, it is such a relieving feeling that I am NOT a Democrat or a Republican (in the American usage of those party terms), because I don't have to be, and I don't have to support, or vote for either!
 
Gaslight
Obstruct <---- we are here now
Project

Its a sekret

A lawyer for Trump's campaign claims without evidence the president won reelection by 'millions of votes'
Sidney Powell, an attorney representing President Donald Trump, made baseless claims of voter fraud on Fox News Sunday morning, where she said voting software was “designed to rig elections.”
Powell claimed that the president “won by not just hundreds of thousands of votes, but by millions of votes” and the campaign is “fixing to overturn the results of the election in multiple states.”
When pressed for evidence by Fox News Host Bartiromo, Powell vaguely claimed she had “lots of ways to prove it,” though she was “not gonna tell on national TV what all we have.”
Her comments shortly came after Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, also claimed while speaking to Bartiromo that he had “proof” but could not “disclose yet.”

Both Powell and Giuliani pointed to a baseless conspiracy theory about software from Dominion Voting Systems, which Trump has claimed “DELETED” more than one million votes for his reelection

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...dence-won-millions-of-votes-2020-11?r=US&IR=T
 
Trump's lawsuit revised!

November 15, 2020 at 9:23 p.m. MST
President Trump’s campaign on Sunday scrapped a major part of its federal lawsuit challenging the election results in Pennsylvania.

WaPo said:
Trump’s attorneys filed a revised version of the lawsuit, removing allegations that election officials violated the Trump campaign’s constitutional rights by limiting the ability of their observers to watch votes being counted.

Trump and Rudolph W. Giuliani, his personal attorney, have said repeatedly that more than 600,000 votes in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh should be invalidated because of this issue. Trump’s pared-down lawsuit now focuses on allegations that Republicans were illegally disadvantaged because some Democratic-leaning counties allowed voters to fix errors on their mail ballots. Counties have said this affected only a small number of votes. Cliff Levine, an attorney representing the Democratic Party in the case, said on Sunday evening that Trump’s move meant his lawsuit could not possibly change the result.

“Now you’re only talking about a handful of ballots,” Levine said. “They would have absolutely no impact on the total count or on Joe Biden’s win over Donald Trump.” In its revised lawsuit, the Trump campaign again asked U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Brann to block the certification of Pennsylvania’s election results. But a secondary request to block the certification of all votes where observer access was allegedly restricted was deleted in the amended suit.

The Trump campaign said late Sunday night that the revised version still contains assertions about the lack of access for observers in an introductory section.“We are still making the strong argument that 682,479 ballots were counted in secret,” Tim Murtaugh, the campaign’s communications director, said in a statement. “Our poll watchers were denied the legal right to meaningful access to vote counting and we still have that claim in our complaint. We have preserved our rights to make these arguments.”

Currently, however, language alleging that the campaign’s constitutional rights were violated as a result of the observer issue is no longer part of the suit detailing the formal counts. Kathy Boockvar, Pennsylvania’s Democratic secretary of state, submitted a court filing in response to the Trump campaign’s actions reiterating her request for the judge to dismiss the lawsuit, noting that the amended suit “materially narrows the pending allegations to a single claim.”

The shift comes amid a string of losses in the Trump campaign’s post-election legal effort, which claimed without evidence that voter fraud, irregularities and rule-breaking led to Biden’s victory. The flurry of post-election litigation has affirmed the integrity of the election: Many of the complaints have been tossed, and not a single vote has been invalidated. Earlier in the day, Trump suggested that his legal challenges of the election results would continue.

“Many of the court cases being filed all over the Country are not ours, but rather those of people that have seen horrible abuses,” he said in a tweet. “Our big cases showing the unconstitutionality of the 2020 Election, & the outrage of things that were done to change the outcome, will soon be filed!”

But even as the campaign continued filing appeals in other Pennsylvania cases Saturday that became public on Sunday, the withdrawal of one of its most aggressive claims curtails a central part of its effort to fend off the certification of the vote in the state. The revised filing came on a day when Trump reiterated his intention not to concede the Nov. 3 election to Biden, moments after seeming to acknowledge the results. Biden won the popular vote and was projected the winner of the race, having received 306 electoral college votes to Trump’s 232. States are still certifying the results.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court is considering a case on the dispute over observers’ access to the vote count. Philadelphia authorities have asked the court to reverse a state appellate court’s order to allow Trump campaign observers to watch the count from six feet away. The Democratic Party filed a brief in support of the city. The Trump campaign alleges that Philadelphia officials kept observers behind a barrier that was too far from the counting activity in a large hall at the Pennsylvania Convention Center. It claims that the officials applied an overly literal reading of a state law that every party and candidate may have a representative in the room while votes are counted.
 
Does know if it is because internet or what, but world has evolved from being a perverse place to plain crazy.
 
Odds of Trump firing a nuclear weapon before Jan. 20? Ballparking 49:1 against.

The "red button," is a myth, you know? It's Hollywood stuff. I've brought this up before. It's quite a palaver to launch a nuclear strike, apparently, and requires five or six separate co-authorizations. Please re-adjust your odds with this updated information.
 
The "red button," is a myth, you know? It's Hollywood stuff. I've brought this up before. It's quite a palaver to launch a nuclear strike, apparently, and requires five or six separate co-authorizations. Please re-adjust your odds with this updated information.
24:1.

Nothing stops the President from unilaterally ordering a nuclear strike. It can’t be vetoed by the Joint Chiefs, nor the Secretary of Defense, nor Congress or the courts.

Zoom and boom.
 
24:1.

Nothing stops the President from unilaterally ordering a nuclear strike. It can’t be vetoed by the Joint Chiefs, nor the Secretary of Defense, nor Congress or the courts.

Zoom and boom.

I am HIGHLY dubious of that claim, considering the gravity of the topic, and the fact it hasn't happened yet.
 
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