NOTW XLIV: Only The Strong Game Thread [concluded]

NinjaCow64 · Jun 15, 2012

VICTORY!!!

Here is my role PM for all those interested:

Player:NinjaCow64
Role: Chieftain's Wife
Nation: Clan of Embers
Brains: 4
Brawn: 2
VC: Might Makes Right
Major Victory: All threats to the status quo eliminated and the Clan of Embers stronger than the Doviello OR the Doviello eliminated
Minor Victory: All threats to the status quo eliminated, but the Doviello stronger than the Clan
Minor Defeat: Clan of Embers eliminated
Major Defeat: Victory of a non Might-Makes Right VC
Ability: Knife in The Dark: Each night, you can stab someone, reducing their strength by 2.
Background: You are the new widow of the old Chieftain of the Clan. You're pretty brainy for an orc, and somewhat fragile. That might cause trouble in the current climate. Better use your knife to prove your loyalty.

Also, here is my attack history with reasoning:

Night One: Zack because he was the enemy chieftian. Not a very good reason I know, but it was night one. (MMR)
Night Two: Alsark because of Zack's constant accusations. Even after I informed him that I attacked him last night, he still was adamant that Alsark was scum. (MoM)
Night Three: BSmith because of his high brawn, could be a scary foe to face if he was scum and if he wasn't we would get rid of some of the Diovello's brawn away from them, which is good. (MMR)
Night Four: Bad Player because I didn't like his VOTE:BLAH posts. Turns out I was right. (MoM)
Night Five: BSmith because I had no other leads, again. I think Visor might have asked me to attack John that night, but I think I forgot to resend the orders. :blush:

(MMR)
Night Six: Topsecret, probably on the advice of Visor. I also thought that he was an easy kill because he was already damaged, another good reason to attack him. (MoM)
Night Seven: filli_notcus on the advice of Visor as well. (Most likely MoM)

I think I had a very good run as a Vigilante. 4/7 scum hits isn't bad. However, I don't want to take all the credit myself, as lots of my kills were based off advice from other players, mostly Visor's. I think the town did a very good job in this game, go team! :goodjob:

Also, I am interested in how the Mind over Matter teams worked. Very interested indeed.

classical_hero · Jun 16, 2012

Visorslash said:
Nice read. Didn't realise how close we actually came to losing. I'm glad instinct won out against Classical Hero, and topsecret/Filli Noctus. Sorry to choxorn and verarde about the mislynches. Though I really don't know why you sacrificed yourself choxorn.

I was so close to fooling you and yet it did not work out. Oh well. One frustration we had was with the other scum on the Doviello, when we found out that we could win with them, we knew Alsark had been fingered so we tried to use him as bait for the other to get and the alliance working and then what would have happened is that we would get them to target those on their side and we would target those on our side. One frustration I had was not knowing if the drink worked, so I would not have wasted a few times on those who were already brain dead.

Here is our QT. http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/kDr8sJMBFBr

@ninja, he was damaged because of me.

The_J · Jun 16, 2012

johnhughthom said:
Seems moderators need to approve posts I make with links...

Stupid forum.

Sorry, just found that post, approved the unapproved one (yeah, not anymore necessary, I guess).
This mechanism is to prevent commercial advertising (was a pest for some time), not to annoy our users, but it sadly also catches legit posts.
If something is urgent about one of your posts, then PM a mod who's online about it, so that we can approve it.
(now I'm out again and will not check this thread [not my area], so if somewhere's a problem -> PM)

Zack · Jun 16, 2012

My Role PM:

Autolycus said:
Autolycus said:

Player: Zack
Role: Boy
Nation: Doviello
Brains: 1
Brawn: 4
VC: Might Makes Right
Major Victory: All threats to the status quo eliminated and the Doviello stronger than the Clan of Embers OR the Clan of Embers eliminated
Minor Victory: All threats to the status quo eliminated, but the Clan stronger than the Doviello
Minor Defeat: Doviello eliminated
Major Defeat: Victory of a non Might-Makes Right VC
Ability: Follow: Each night, you can target someone and see who, if anyone they target
Background: You're the old chieftain's son by his first marriage. You're no longer really a boy, more like a young man, but everyone still thinks of you as a boy. Of course, that does give you more freedom to act un-noticed...

Click to expand...

choxorn · Jun 16, 2012

The_J said:
Sorry, just found that post, approved the unapproved one (yeah, not anymore necessary, I guess).
This mechanism is to prevent commercial advertising (was a pest for some time), not to annoy our users, but it sadly also catches legit posts.
If something is urgent about one of your posts, then PM a mod who's online about it, so that we can approve it.
(now I'm out again and will not check this thread [not my area], so if somewhere's a problem -> PM)

Can't you guys just enable it for people with few posts like you did with enabling PM's? You could even use the same thread for both of them.

Autolycus · Jun 16, 2012

Initial thoughts:
My plan for this game was influenced by three things:
1. I wanted to have two towns where that actually mattered.
2. Renata's The War Party. I liked the idea of one scum team that had a lot of people, but started split.
3. Two stats: One for voting and victory, the other for many abilities. This one didn't altogether pan out when I actually created the game. Brawn was much more important generally.

Role PMS

The Scum:

Classical_hero

Spoiler :

Braindeath made the person dead for all purposes except for posting and being able to survive day fights. For quite a number of days, drugging the ogre would have resulted in victory.

Alsark:

Spoiler :

Role Block with a little bit of damage. It did not block anyone who was targeting him specifically, though it would have blocked general use abilities. Zack targeted him night 1, which got him in trouble quickly.

Bad Player:

Spoiler :

Mind-based night kill.

Filli_Noctus:

Spoiler :

Guilt-innocence scanner. Finally found classical_hero on the last day of actual play. Optical would also have scanned as literate.

johnhughthom
Accidentally deleted role PM.

Protector, but took the damage himself, likely underpowered.

topsecret:

Spoiler :

Strength-based kill. Got in the lynch once, which harmed his efficacy, then got brain-zapped by his own team.

Optical:

Spoiler :

Solo scum role. Got Brains and Brawn confused, and thus died early.

Mind Over Matter won if their cumulative Brains and Brawn was greater than the sum of all other's brawn.

Scum might have been slightly overpowered, although the end result shows that they obviously weren't too much, and the elimination of the SK also probably made them seem stronger than they were.
There were six scum on the same team, but they were divided into two groups of three, one on each side, and there was indeed some cross-fire.

Autolycus · Jun 17, 2012

Role PMs, continued:

Clan Innocents:
Ninjacow:

Spoiler :

Crucial factor in innocent victory. Well done!

Visorslash:

Spoiler :

The additional 2 points were only during the fight, so they didn't help with survival much, but did increase the chances of Doviello dying.
Clan Chieftain ability was, every other day could make Champions fight it out, with weaker's strength subtracted from stronger, targets don't matter.

Backwards Logic

Spoiler :

If BL had become active, this might have been a powerful role.

Mergle:

Spoiler :

Due to huge strength, basically owned the Clan vote for the last few days. Incredibly vulnerable to mind attacks, his death or braindeath would have spelled defeat for the innocents in all likelihood.

Southern King

Spoiler :

Role Blocker. Died early.

Methos:

Spoiler :

Quite powerful role, completely inactive.

Verarde:

Spoiler :

Lynch Evader.

Earthling

Spoiler :

Removed topsecret from the game as a threat with his death.

Dreadnought:

Spoiler :

Strength scanner. Didn't use ability after the first few days, missed deadline by a hair a couple times.

Autolycus · Jun 17, 2012

Role PMs, part 3:

Doviello Innocents

choxorn:

Spoiler :

Only used ability once, but was active for most of the game.

Zack:

Spoiler :

Night activity scanner. Died pretty early, but hit alsark first night out.

Kennigit:

Spoiler :

While she was chieftain, it was much more difficult for scum to win. Regrettably died day 1. There were no Brain-based victories.

mat93(1)

Spoiler :

Potentially useful for slowing the game down and/or identifying which kills came from which camp.

mythmonster:

Spoiler :

Only used the ability once, (on himself) then asked to be WOGged.

Buddhafish/mat93(2)

Spoiler :

Interesting ability, lots of information, not much precision.

Takhisis:

Spoiler :

Blue removed a person's vote, green was lethal, red (changed to orange for voting reasons) increased a person's brains by 4. Only way in game to come back from brain-death. Almost enabled Filli_Noctus to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

Daveshack:

Spoiler :

Another role that went down early. If he became chieftain, Doviello victory would have been much more possible.

BSmith:

Spoiler :

Vengeful lynchee, unfortunately drank first the vote removal, then the poison.

JoanK

Spoiler :

Could have provided a critical last second boost of strength, but died too soon.

Civcube:

Spoiler :

Brain scan, with a catch. If he got the orange potion, he could have scanned many more times.

Final conclusions: Doviello were underpowered, both innocent and scum.

DaveShack · Jun 17, 2012

choxorn said:
Can't you guys just enable it for people with few posts like you did with enabling PM's? You could even use the same thread for both of them.

The filter is for link-only posts from users with zero postcount.
If that filter can also check for PMs enabled, that would be sufficient. I'll propose that as a workaround.

Takhisis · Jun 18, 2012

In hindsight, I should've signed up to be a replacement. Far more people went AWOL than I anticipated, and I didn't get to do much as I was sheep-mobbed right away.

Earthling · Jun 18, 2012

Well done Innocents, particularly the last survivors on the Clan. Lots of the roles were really interesting to see, thanks of course for posting them and the game was very fun Autolycus.

I also don't think our other QT has been posted: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/Ta7EMwpFGzJk

which is a bit funny combined with Visorslash's QT. Especially after I died it was worrying me that Ninja and Visor hadn't really trusted each other to be Innocent for a long time, but you systematically got the scum in the end. And to the Doviello Innocents who got victory too instead of all dying out, well done to stick with it.

From the conclusion and wrap-up I don't think the scum were weak this game, they certainly came close to victory and were in a better spot than past games where several scum couldn't even "outstrength" 5 or 6 townies. It seemed like the scum were always in the running for overpower victory this game and a couple inactive Innocent roles didn't help. I can see the Doviello townies weren't as powerful, but one thing is it didn't feel like that during the game from the perspective of the players - I think the Clan had reason to be paranoid and it affected play. The Doviello outnumbered us in the first place and the serial killer was also on the Clan side, which made it further seem like we were disadvantaged in numbers. I do think it was a very successful use of the divided town concept.

Dreadnought · Jun 18, 2012

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Check it out!

Visorslash · Jun 19, 2012

Earthling said:
Well done Innocents, particularly the last survivors on the Clan. Lots of the roles were really interesting to see, thanks of course for posting them and the game was very fun Autolycus.

I also don't think our other QT has been posted: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/Ta7EMwpFGzJk

which is a bit funny combined with Visorslash's QT. Especially after I died it was worrying me that Ninja and Visor hadn't really trusted each other to be Innocent for a long time, but you systematically got the scum in the end. And to the Doviello Innocents who got victory too instead of all dying out, well done to stick with it.

From the conclusion and wrap-up I don't think the scum were weak this game, they certainly came close to victory and were in a better spot than past games where several scum couldn't even "outstrength" 5 or 6 townies. It seemed like the scum were always in the running for overpower victory this game and a couple inactive Innocent roles didn't help. I can see the Doviello townies weren't as powerful, but one thing is it didn't feel like that during the game from the perspective of the players - I think the Clan had reason to be paranoid and it affected play. The Doviello outnumbered us in the first place and the serial killer was also on the Clan side, which made it further seem like we were disadvantaged in numbers. I do think it was a very successful use of the divided town concept.

I was pretty lazy the first few days of the game, didn't have all that much time to dedicate to it, and I was happy to let it play out as it went. However, I decided to step in and almost got myself killed. I decided then to ask for help from people, hoping I would get some takers, and Ninja contacted me. He roleclaimed and I told him to vig someone, originally BSmith I believe, then Choxorn (he ended up attacking BSmith due to forgetting to change) I contacted everyone alive in the game asking for hunches, brain, brawn and contacts, etc. I got a few replies, notably from JHT asking me to tell him some more myself and leading me to catch him, BSmith replying and our massive conversation in which I eventually read him as town and gave him the name of the Vig, my powers, etc. Mat93 also replied and said he thought I was scum, but told me his stats. Later on I contacted NinjaCow and said that we would work towards Clan victory. I never really trusted him until later in the game, I revealed him to Mat as well, with explicit instructions to reveal Ninja if I died by knifing. Classical Hero replied and said he had a high brain stat and no hunches on the scum, which I thought was suspiscious. Eventually I set up a network with myself and Ninja, and myself, BSmith and Mat93. With Mat's info we were able to determine that Ninja was most likely innocent, and that there was definitely a scum amongst the Doviello (most likely FN or Choxorn). After that we just pushed for their lynches, and I just attempted to command the lynches because I believed I had the information necesary to solve the game (and I did). BSmith killing himself was annoying, but not a real loss, and we were able to force the victory eventually.

The divided town concept was neat, though I think the scum were a bit overpowered. Overall, I believe I did a pretty good job, and especially on the final day, with the correct lynch of Classical, and the suspiscions of FN, JHT and TS being correct, I'm pretty happy with how I played this game.

NinjaCow64 · Jun 19, 2012

Visorslash said:
I was pretty lazy the first few days of the game, didn't have all that much time to dedicate to it, and I was happy to let it play out as it went. However, I decided to step in and almost got myself killed. I decided then to ask for help from people, hoping I would get some takers, and Ninja contacted me. He roleclaimed and I told him to vig someone, originally BSmith I believe, then Choxorn (he ended up attacking BSmith due to forgetting to change) I contacted everyone alive in the game asking for hunches, brain, brawn and contacts, etc. I got a few replies, notably from JHT asking me to tell him some more myself and leading me to catch him, BSmith replying and our massive conversation in which I eventually read him as town and gave him the name of the Vig, my powers, etc. Mat93 also replied and said he thought I was scum, but told me his stats. Later on I contacted NinjaCow and said that we would work towards Clan victory. I never really trusted him until later in the game, I revealed him to Mat as well, with explicit instructions to reveal Ninja if I died by knifing. Classical Hero replied and said he had a high brain stat and no hunches on the scum, which I thought was suspiscious. Eventually I set up a network with myself and Ninja, and myself, BSmith and Mat93. With Mat's info we were able to determine that Ninja was most likely innocent, and that there was definitely a scum amongst the Doviello (most likely FN or Choxorn). After that we just pushed for their lynches, and I just attempted to command the lynches because I believed I had the information necesary to solve the game (and I did). BSmith killing himself was annoying, but not a real loss, and we were able to force the victory eventually.

The divided town concept was neat, though I think the scum were a bit overpowered. Overall, I believe I did a pretty good job, and especially on the final day, with the correct lynch of Classical, and the suspiscions of FN, JHT and TS being correct, I'm pretty happy with how I played this game.

That's hilarious considering that I had Dread on orders accuse you if I died multiple times. :lol:

But once I wasn't dead for a long time, I thought that you were definitely town, no self-respecting Mafioso keeps a Vigilante alive for that long.

Damn, I love being Vigilante. It is insanely fun. It's almost as fun as hosting.

BSmith1068 · Jun 19, 2012

Visorslash said:
BSmith killing himself was annoying, but not a real loss, and we were able to force the victory eventually.

TBH if I hadnt have been knifed twice at this point I probably wouldnt have taken the risk with the potions. At that time we (at least I) were still not certain about Ninja, and one more attack would do me in. I figured there would be at least one good potion in the batch. Unfortunately for me it was the only one I didnt drink.

It was also a bit of a role play as my character had high brawn (at least to start) but low brains. I figured it was in character.

NOTW XLIV: Only The Strong Game Thread [concluded]

NinjaCow64

Thought Bubble Thinker

classical_hero

In whom I trust

The_J

Say No 2 Net Validations

Zack

99% hot gas

choxorn

Watermelon Headcrab

Autolycus

Emperor

Autolycus

Emperor

Autolycus

Emperor

DaveShack

Inventor

Takhisis

¡Patria y vida!

Earthling

Deity

Dreadnought

Deity

Visorslash

Deity

NinjaCow64

Thought Bubble Thinker

BSmith1068

Deity

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