Now I understand better the virulence in the other thread, seems there is a bit of misunderstanding here.
Virulence refers to hostility, especially verbal abuse. The majority of the verbal abuse going on in the official policy thread seems to be people from C4. An official decision was made to allow all that to spill out into other creative subforums and the common areas such as site feedback. spreading and encouraging verbal abuse is itself abusive.
You represent yourself as an a staff member, but your pronouncement is completely different from the official closed-thread sticky.
This -
The modiquette is not a formal rule, it's a reminder of the spirit of the community, ...
It's a proposition, not something already decided,
And this -
Staff is trying to update the policy on use of Mods at CivFanatics. We ask for your feedback on this proposed update ...
(emphasis added)
- are not at all the same thing. Saying it's so doesn't make it so. That some Orwellian logic, not something a responsible staff member should be saying.
According to the official announcement an update is proposed. That can only be the case if the policy in question already exists.
, and your feedback is of course required/welcome.
"Required" can be taken two ways. One is that you need us in order to proceed. The other is that you are going to force us to comment. Since the latter is impossible given the resources available to CFC staff I'll be charitable and assume you mean the former. You want to propose that you can't proceed without us. Yet that is exactly what has been done by ignoring us for nearly a year - during the time that discussion threads were open in more than one C&C subforum. In the currently open "other thread" we've been told
But we also don't have to reach everyone, we're not obliged to check everyone's opinion.
What you are saying is completely contradicted by the statement of the author of the policy. That's the same person who opened the discussion thread in C4, closed it when it was of no further use to him (after 6 months of discussion) and then opened a thread in C5 where he gave people 6 days to speak up before he wrote the policy. The C4 thread title was "Should we write down/formalize the modding netiquette? ". The C5 thread title is "Is there a need for a modding netiquette? " Both of those - framed as questions - sound like an attempt at consensus building as to whether or not a policy is even needed. Asking us for feedback on one sentence in a written policy is different in kind.
Now, if it appears that it can't be discussed at all, ...
Are you admitting that we can't be part of the discussion because it already happened or are you trying to make us believe that when it falls apart it will be our fault for giving feedback?
Staff posting diametrically opposed statements about something that profoundly affects the very reason we are at CFC is abusive. Listening to what C4 people have to say about a problem in their subforum before coming to a solution then imposing it over here without giving us a similar opportunity is abusive. That abuse is deepened by telling us to like it or leave. All that abuse is verbal. C4 modders are verbally abusing each other. Staff is verbally abusing us. Staff are doing things that are hostile to our creative process. Yet we're the ones who are virulent in our posts?
If I were in your position I'd very mad at whoever told me to come over here as their cat's paw. I doubt it was any of the several administrators and supermoderators who are assigned here that did you dirty like that. They are themselves C3 modders and know this particular community fairly well. Whenever there have been any disagreements that began to get out of hand in C3 C&C they have themselves spoken to us. Most of the time those situations have been about creative disagreements.
... I don't know the details, but I suppose it can be found in C2C section in civ4 forums.
That's a pretty telling statement. You don't know what's going on over there - aren't even assigned to that area. You aren't assigned to this subforum, have no history of posting here at all. Which means you have no way of knowing what we're about or how we do things. I know for a fact that junior moderators are supposed to stick to their assigned areas as far as staff activity goes. Even moderators and supermoderators are advised to minimize roaming. You're outside your bailiwick and in over your head. Your self professed ignorance and that you post something completely different from the official statements is proof of that.
Before you come over here to set things right remember that we're the ones who make dragons. Maybe you would be better served to go back to the staff forum & read some of the threads about the situations that have arisen here in C3 C&C. Have some private discussions with the staff who are C3 modders - so you can get schooled without embarrassing yourself. It might also be a good idea to stay away from C3 C&C until you either are assigned here or get your wings.
