New leader elimination

[Hamilton321]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 11
Mu'awiya 10
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 11
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 10
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 12
Henry IV 11
Otto IV, Holy Roman Emperor 4
Wilhelm II 7
Epaminondas 8
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 13
Meiji 12
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 10
Nkumbi a Mpundi 10
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Marcus Tullius Cicero 4-3=1 more of a great person than a leader
Constantine 16+1=17 one of the most influential leaders of all time
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 17
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[Kimiimaro]

New
Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 11
Mu'awiya 10
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 11
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 10
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 12
Henry IV 11
Otto IV, Holy Roman Emperor 4
Wilhelm II 7
Epaminondas 8
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 13
Meiji 12
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 10
Nkumbi a Mpundi 10
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Marcus Tullius Cicero 1-3=2 (ELIMINATED) - I agree, interresting man, but only a consul. I'd rather stay with emperors.
Constantine 17
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 17+1=18 - What did Ur-Nammu so great, you ask? For example, he created the oldest known code of laws in history.
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[Potato Based]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 11
Mu'awiya 10
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 11
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 10
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 12
Henry IV 11
Otto IV, Holy Roman Emperor 4
Wilhelm II 4 (7 - 3) Ended a 500 year line of monarchs ruling from Berlin, controlling the relatively small Electorate of Brandenburg to the entire German Empire by the time of his reign.
Epaminondas 8
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 13
Meiji 12
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 10
Nkumbi a Mpundi 10
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 18 (17 + 1) Another point to one of the men most responsible for how far Christianity has spread throughout Europe and the world.
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 18
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[conorbebe]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 11
Mu'awiya 10
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12 (11 + 1) A worthy alt leader for Australia.
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 10
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 12
Henry IV 11
Otto IV, Holy Roman Emperor 4
Wilhelm II 4
Epaminondas 8
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 13
Meiji 12
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 10
Nkumbi a Mpundi 7 (10 - 3) Too similar to his grandfather.
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 18
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 18
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[RFormica]

I really like the way this thread is going yet there are a few things: first what did Ur-Nammu do that was so great, and second Elizabeth I and Elizabeth II, really? There were so many other people to choose from; what about Benjamin Disraeli? What about Henry II? Finally Rameses II has appeared so many times in civ titles.

Ur-Nammu created the oldest known law code in the world. (Well, Hammurabi's was much fairer, better and more complete, but whatever. First place counts.) He conquered Lagash and Guitium. He restored roads and buildings in many cities.

I originally had more English rulers, but I had to shorten the list and eliminate the leaders that hadn't been voted for.

Rameses II was a great Egyptian ruler; I wouldn't mind seeing him again. (The people who voted for him would like him to return, too!)

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 11
Mu'awiya 10
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 10
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 12
Henry IV 11
Otto IV, Holy Roman Emperor 4 - 3 = 1 Same as before.
Wilhelm II 4
Epaminondas 8
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 13
Meiji 12
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 10
Nkumbi a Mpundi 7
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 18
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 18 + 1 = 19 Can he make it to 25?
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[Morningcalm]

Re: Ur-Nammu, either he or his son Shulgi was arguably Sumer's greatest ruler (though I have a personal favorite named Gudea of Lagash, the peaceful, trading, devout and defensive shepherd priest-king). Ur-Nammu did the following things:

Besides his military campaigns, he undertook building projects throughout Sumer and planted orchards and gardens in and around the cities, invigorated the economy of Sumer, and encouraged the pursuit of art and culture. The period is known as the Sumerian Renaissance for precisely these efforts. Ur-Nammu (and, following him, Shulgi) returned Sumer to its former glory by providing the economic and social stability which allowed the culture to flourish.

His popularity among his subjects is apparent in stele and inscriptions. The historian Gwendolyn Leick writes that Ur-Nammu “did much to enhance the economic and military security of the country. For such efforts he was lauded in a Sumerian hymn that also extols his dedication to the god Enlil of Nippur. Ur Nammu was also the subject of other literary works, such as a text in which he visits the Netherworld” (181). The text Leick cites regarding the Netherworld would make him a mythical hero for generations after his reign. He began construction of the Great Ziggurat of Ur and re-built the ziggurats and temples at Uruk, Eridu, Nippur, and Lagash while also surrounding Ur with magnificent walls said to be “high as a shining mountain” and ordering the construction of canals and irrigation ditches throughout the region. He concentrated regularly on improving the lives of the people, the cities they lived in, and the land the cities rose from. His code of laws illustrates the concern he had for his subjects and the administration of justice and, even though he was clearly very popular, he never moved to have himself deified nor claimed for himself any special titles.

So yeah, he was freaking awesome, and died in battle like a real hero, and was then immortalized in epic.

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 11 + 1 = 12 (A better president than Jefferson, in my opinion, expanding the nation in land quite drastically, and was far more in favor of advancing social rights than Jefferson, esp. as regards slavery, which Monroe regarded as evil, and eventually, slave-owner though he originally was, Monroe advocated emancipation. Jefferson, by comparison, had children with one of his slaves, advocated for the castration of homosexuals, and praised the bloody French Revolution.)
Mu'awiya 10
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 10
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 12
Henry IV 11
Otto IV, Holy Roman Emperor 1
Wilhelm II 4 - 3 = 1 (This guy would be a horrendous choice for Germany's leader, albeit not as traumatic as a Hitler choice.)
Epaminondas 8
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 13
Meiji 12
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 10
Nkumbi a Mpundi 7
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 18
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 19
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[Guandao]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 12
Mu'awiya (10+1)=11 Seems to be an important Umayyad Caliph
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 10
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 12
Henry IV 11
Otto IV, Holy Roman Emperor 1
Wilhelm II 1-3=0 ELIMINATED, Germans won't appreciate him as an leader in the game.
Epaminondas 8
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 13
Meiji 12
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 10
Nkumbi a Mpundi 7
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 18
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 19
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[God of Kings]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 12
Mu'awiya 11
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 10
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 12
Henry IV 11
Otto IV, Holy Roman Emperor 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED Better leaders exist
Epaminondas 8
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 13
Meiji 12
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 10
Nkumbi a Mpundi 7
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 18
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 19 + 1 = 20 Doctor Strange aside, great lawmaker
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[Potato Based]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 12
Mu'awiya 11
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 10
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 12
Henry IV 11
Epaminondas 8
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 13
Meiji 12
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 7 (10 - 3) To make a Kongo alternate leader mod at all interesting to me, it would have to be one from an entirely different era. These two, from the same century as Mvemba, don't cut it in my eyes. (The only idea I have is Mobutu Sese Seko, controversial, yes, but the Hitler mod is one of the most popular so it could work.
Nkumbi a Mpundi 7
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 19 (18 + 1) I feel like I'm repeating myself at this point.
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 20
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[Kimiimaro]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 12
Mu'awiya 11
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 10
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 12
Henry IV 11
Epaminondas 8-3=5 - Seriously, I don't want to see another Greek leader until Byzantium will make a return. Period.
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 13
Meiji 12+1=13 - During his reign, Japan started as an undeveloped agricultural and unimportant country and it ended up being one of the world's most industrial and richest superpowers
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 7
Nkumbi a Mpundi 7
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 19
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 20
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[RFormica]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 12
Mu'awiya 11
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 10
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 12
Henry IV 11
Epaminondas 5 - 3 = 2 I like everybody on the list... but ANOTHER Greek? OK, 1 was fine. 2 was good in demonstrating Alternate Leaders. But 3 with the Macedon DLC? That's pushing it. 4? No. No. No.
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 13
Meiji 13
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 7
Nkumbi a Mpundi 7
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 19
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 20 + 1 = 21 Maybe we should start voting for someone else.... (Looks at the list)..... meh.
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[Kimiimaro]

n the list... but ANOTHER Greek? OK, 1 was fine. 2 was good in demonstrating Alternate Leaders. But 3? No.

Four. Macedon is the third Greece.

 

[conorbebe]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 12
Mu'awiya 11
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 11 (10 + 1) A great military leader.
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 12
Henry IV 11
Epaminondas 2
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 13
Meiji 13
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 7
Nkumbi a Mpundi 4 (7 - 3) Same reason as before.
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 19
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 21
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[jaydoc]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 12
Mu'awiya 11
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 11
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 12
Henry IV 11
Epaminondas 2
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 14 (13 +1) India needs a more militaristic leader like him in addition to Gandhi, no one leader can represent what India was and is through its long history.
Meiji 13
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 7
Nkumbi a Mpundi 1 (4 - 3) Closest to elimination, so he gets a negative vote.
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 19
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 21
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[SMcM]

Alvaro I 7 (10 - 3) To make a Kongo alternate leader mod at all interesting to me, it would have to be one from an entirely different era. These two, from the same century as Mvemba, don't cut it in my eyes. (The only idea I have is Mobutu Sese Seko, controversial, yes, but the Hitler mod is one of the most popular so it could work.

Today's Democratic Republic of Congo is named after the same river that Europeans named the kingdom of Kongo after. They are not the same thing at all, however. The Kongolese people were the people of the Kingdom of Kongo, and today they occupy parts of Angola, the DRC and the ROC (not forming a majority in any of these). Mobutu in fact belonged to the Ngbandi group.

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 12
Mu'awiya 9 (11 - 3) - Umar would be better imo
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 11
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 13 (12 + 1) An important leader internationally due to his attempts to make France the dominant power in Europe and his patronage of colonisation, and also an interesting character
Henry IV 11
Epaminondas 2
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 14
Meiji 13
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 7
Nkumbi a Mpundi 1
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 19
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 21
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[Morningcalm]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 12
Mu'awiya 9
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 11
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10
Cardinal Richelieu 13
Henry IV 11 + 1 = 12 (An excellent alternate leader to Catherine de Medici, and from the same time period. This monarch was admired for his goodness, hence his epithet "The Good")
Epaminondas 2
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 14
Meiji 13
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 7
Nkumbi a Mpundi 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED. Too similar to Afonso (aka Mvemba a Nzinga).
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 19
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 21
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[Guandao]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 12
Mu'awiya 9
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 11
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 7
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 10+1=11 Builder of one of the Great Pyramids of Giza gets my vote this time
Cardinal Richelieu 13
Henry IV 12
Epaminondas 2-3=0 It's a shame Thebes isn't part of the Greek city-list (rename the Egyptian one to Waset, Firaxis ), but more Greek leaders is a low priority at the moment.
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 14
Meiji 13
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 7
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 19
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 21
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[Potato Based]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 12
Mu'awiya 9
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 11
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 4 (7 - 3) I would rather see a post-Qin dynasty Emperor of a unified China
Yongle 14
Rameses II 14
Khufu 11
Cardinal Richelieu 13
Henry IV 12
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 14
Meiji 13
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 7
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 20 (19 + 1) Can't let Ur-Nammu run away with the thread without any competition.
Yaroslav II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 21
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[Hamilton321]

Thomas Jefferson 13
James Monroe 12
Mu'awiya 9
Al-Mansur 10
Henry Parkes 12
Robert Menzies 10
Acamapichtli 10
Ahuitzotl 11
Juscelino Kubitschek 10
King Wu of Zhou 4
Yongle 14
Ramesses II 14
Khufu 11
Cardinal Richelieu 13
Henry IV 12
Shah Jahan 8
Shivaji 14
Meiji 13
Kanmu 11
Alvaro I 7-3=4 Same as previously stated by Potatobased.
Eric Bloodaxe 10
Boleslaw I 14
Casimir III 11
Constantine 20+1=21 Seriously, one of the greatest leaders of all time, established the first dynasty in Rome since the Severans, and has never appeared in a civ title before.
Yaroslavl II 10
Alexander Nevsky 12
Alfonso II 12
Ur-Nammu 21
Shapur II 11
Nader Shah 11

 

[Hamilton321]

If it was not so close between Constantine and Ur-Nammu then I would be voting for my favorite dynasty of China. The Ming shall last forever!