Unit Request Thread 3

[nick0515]

I think the modern protester was a particularly good suggestion (ie. I want it too)

Also, priests or religious units of any era/religion would be great.

 

[Takhisis]

you mean waterskiing ? In swimming suits ? Sorry I couldn't resist.
I'd like to see some less-personnal requests here: are there other units that are commonly recognized as missing, like slingers, or African units, or Indian units ? Something that could be used by a lot of people ?

I know we have all been craving such a unit for a long time so I'll just get it out in the open...

Seriously, though I'd really like some more African units. Some fairly generic African horse archers perhaps. And I'm not talking about Arab looking ones. I don't really care if they are historical or not. In my epic mod I've got more of a generic approach with every cultural group having more or less the same units regardless of historical inaccuracies.

There are some african units, Firaxis' converted to darker skin colour. African Archers and such. Plot has made an African Settler, too. Check out a couple African packs he himself used for the Desert and Mountain scenario. See Orthanc's Umkhumbi as well.

This is more of a personal one I guess but could be useful for epic/historical mods - Some Romano British units from the period 400AD to 600AD. There are Dark Age units for some cultural groups but not for the British unless you assume the Anglo-Saxon's conquered the Romano British immediately after the Romans left which not many people do these days.

Check out Plot's Rood and Dragon.

We have no frogmen. We have no catholic priests or bishops. We have no limousines or carriages. We have no 1920's-50's cops or civilian vehicles of that era. We have no regular-sized gorillas or hairy pre-humans. No exploding baby carriage, or gunpowder keg. No frontier women. We have no african american slave units, no Klan riders. No modern protesters (scarf, backpack), no caravan M-unit, no refugees. No Thoats. No child soldiers, no pygmys. No white or red blood cells. No eskimos, no troops on snowmobiles, skis or sleds. No polar bears or penguins. No trains of any variety. No modern cruise ships. No Buddha. No burning wagons. No Borg or Klingon foot units that I know of. A surprisingly small variety of missiles. No ferry. No cable cars, buses or Taxis. No burros. No worker Tharks. No Obama unit, no Churchill unit. No gypsies. No Ayatollah. No female cops. No twins. No body builder with a handlebar moustache. No Spy car. No Royal unicycle guardsmen. No four-armed White Gorilla. No female partisans of any era. No french resistance on bicycles. No fishing trawler/spy ship. No drug cartel units. No Texas Rangers. No Matrix gravity ship. No Amish. No acrobats. No Padre. No Whaling Ships. No good log rafts. No cities or leaderheads with blinking lights or signal fires. No exploding dolphins. No mounted police. That's a starter list!

Female units in general, hand-held bazookas/rocket launchers/Panzerfausten, mortar crews, elephants with gunpowder weapons on them (Culverins-riflemen)

 

[T-mun]

Female units in general, hand-held bazookas/rocket launchers/Panzerfausten, mortar crews, elephants with gunpowder weapons on them (Culverins-riflemen)

I think you mean Couleuvrine

@Balthasar: these are exactly what I would call "personnal requests", except maybe the bodybuilder with a handlebar moustache this one goes right into my to-do list! These units would probably work in a mod or two, not much more. I was asking for units that would cover a lot more ground.

To me, there are too few African units, the Firaxis color-conversions are a bit outdated. Not sure if they would have used mounted archers though... Female units too, if people have a use for them.

On a side note, I'm still amazed that so many people ask for a specific sub-version of a WWII tank for some minor country when there are so many units from that era made by Wyrm and others, while there are so many units still lacking in older eras...

Just wondering... Balt, are you officially requesting all of them ?

 

[Balthasar]

I will make them into units for you. You want them for transport?

I was asking for units that would cover a lot more ground.
Just wondering... are you officially requesting all of them ?

There are some that I need more than others (see below), but you've missed my point, somewhat. The question (as I chose to hear it) was, 'what units that people could use aren't in the database?' Well, that's a long, long list. I tried to think of some fun or interesting ones to make that point. They'd all be useful units, in my opinion.

So, that was my point: if you'd like to make a unit, make it; don't worry whether someone can use it right now. I find that the best units have always been labors of love, not necessity.

That said, there were some units on that list I'd have a use for in one or more mods, more or less immediately:

Spoiler :

Whaling Ship
Large raft
Religious units previously described
Carriages
Old Farm Wagon (burn to attack)
civilian autos 1910 -1930
gorrilla
hairy pre-human
powder keg
Frontier Woman (Annie Oakley)
African Slave
Steam Locomotive w/ car
Strong Man with Handlebar Moustache
Royal Unicycle Guardsmen
Female partison/resister on Bicycle
Texas Ranger
Amish Worker
Padre
"John Carter" Barsoom units: Thoats/riders, Calot, Great White Ape, Thark Worker

these are exactly what I would call "personal requests". These units would probably work in a mod or two, not much more.

That's true and not true: you never really know how useful a unit could be.

 

[T-mun]

So, that was my point: if you'd like to make a unit, make it; don't worry whether someone can use it right now. I find that the best units have always been labors of love, not necessity.

Well, I have to agree with you on this. However, my point was to ask if people had request that were not just fitting their own mod, but could be used in many more situations, including epic games/mods. The units you list will find their use in the mods you are working on, and maybe a few others. These request have their own thread, IIRC.

My to-do list is already very long, and I will of course make units that I want to make, for I will be the first to have a use for them I've just been browsing this thread in search of something close to what I was doing and that I hadn't thought of, or some fun and easy unit that would take just a few hours to make.

 

[Ozymandias]

You know, there are quite a few "forgotten" units I don't post, due to there age/quality. But I can easily post anything someone wants -- like the cruise ship below ...

Best,

Oz

 

[nick0515]

There are some african units, Firaxis' converted to darker skin colour. African Archers and such. Plot has made an African Settler, too. Check out a couple African packs he himself used for the Desert and Mountain scenario. See Orthanc's Umkhumbi as well.

Check out Plot's Rood and the Dragon.

Female units in general, hand-held bazookas/rocket launchers/Panzerfausten, mortar crews, elephants with gunpowder weapons on them (Culverins-riflemen)

Tak, thanks but I was already aware of all those units. In some eras we have plenty of African units, like lots of early/medieval archers but there are still many gaps.

I'd love to see more female units done too. This is useful for fantasy mods if not so much for historical mods.

As for the colour conversions I wouldn't use the originals for any purpose so I don't really want to have to make do with them with African civs. Plus those conversions have probably all been done, eg archers, infantry, spearman.

Also, even in Plot's Rood and Dragon there are no post Roman specifically British units. He has used a mixture of darkage units from other cultures and iron age British units.

I think themanuneed has a point. There are too many very specific requests on here, and I know I've been guilty of that too, and not enough generally applicable units that can fill gaps in epic unit lines or be used in many different scenarios.

 

[Ozymandias]

Just to remind you all, Wyrm made African variants of many of his modern soldiers, plus a plethora now exist ca. WW1 (Wyrm and imperator1969.)

 

[Waterwild]

The problem with african units arrises not in early or late units, its the Mounted Units. Other than Zebra Rider and Zulu Cavalry, its pretty slim pickins. I understand that there were no real African Knights or Cavalry...but thats never stoped us before!

Middle Eastern Musketmen, Riflemen and Infantry are also rare. There seems to be more for Meso-America than African and Middle Eastern for these units.

Thats not to say there is nothing out there, but come on, do we really need another European Dragoon? And I am pretty sure we have every airplane ever built in every color combo imaginable

 

[Ozymandias]

The problem with african units arrises not in early or late units, its the Mounted Units. Other than Zebra Rider and Zulu Cavalry, its pretty slim pickins. I understand that there were no real African Knights or Cavalry...but thats never stoped us before!

Middle Eastern Musketmen, Riflemen and Infantry are also rare. There seems to be more for Meso-America than African and Middle Eastern for these units.

Thats not to say there is nothing out there, but come on, do we really need another European Dragoon? And I am pretty sure we have every airplane ever built in every color combo imaginable

Let's see -- There's also the Songhai Knight by Dom Pedro II; Zouaves by both Gary Childress and imperator1961; WW1 Black American infantry (very useful "what-if"); a ton of ca. WW1 units by Wyrmshadow (Ottoman Empire and black skinned); ditto African and Arabian again by G.C.; plenty of medieval Arab horsemen by Sandris ...

... Perhaps some time poking around the d/l database would be helpful?

I'm also happy to point you to specifics.

Best,

Oz

 

[Takhisis]

We could always use pygmies.

 

[nick0515]

Let's see -- There's also the Songhai Knight by Dom Pedro II; Zouaves by both Gary Childress and imperator1961; WW1 Black American infantry (very useful "what-if"); a ton of ca. WW1 units by Wyrmshadow (Ottoman Empire and black skinned); ditto African and Arabian again by G.C.; plenty of medieval Arab horsemen by Sandris ...

... Perhaps some time poking around the d/l database would be helpful?

I'm also happy to point you to specifics.

Best,

Oz

Those are all good and useful units, but I'd still say some more African what-if units would be useful for epics. Personally I want my African and Arab unit lines totally separate and looking different, but then my epic is kind of generic rather than historical.

 

[Ozymandias]

Those are all good and useful units, but I'd still say some more African what-if units would be useful for epics. Personally I want my African and Arab unit lines totally separate and looking different, but then my epic is kind of generic rather than historical.

Amigo, the Ottomans and certain colonials can be used for Arabs and the African colonial units, well, for Africans. Again, I'm happy to help with recommendations.

Best,

Oz

 

[Dumanios]

Some Armenian units would be nice.

For the ancient age, the Artaxiad Empire would serve well, though the Urartu would also work here. I'm using Sandris' Scythian Heavy Horseman as their Horseman unit.

In the Middle Ages, the Bagratid Kingdom and the Kingdom of Cilicia would work.

In the Renaissance, the Khanate of Erevan would work, though it was primarily Persian influenced, so I suppose Persian units could work here. For a Rifleman, they'd use something Russian.

In the Industrial Age, they'd be represented by the Fedayees who fought for independence from foreign oppression. In the WW2 era and after, they'd share much of their equipment with the USSR.

 

[nick0515]

Amigo, the Ottomans and certain colonials can be used for Arabs and the African colonial units, well, for Africans. Again, I'm happy to help with recommendations.

Best,

Oz

Well, I think there are still gaps in terms of what-if units along the lines of the Zulu cavalry. I'd love to get some non-North African horse-archers from various eras.

 

[r16]

am looking for a guard dog or a wolf that can be used in addition to the warg in the LOTM . Where should ı start looking would also help . Went to downloads section typed civ3,dog and found lots of interesting stuff but no dogs .

 

[Supa]

am looking for a guard dog or a wolf that can be used in addition to the warg in the LOTM . Where should ı start looking would also help . Went to downloads section typed civ3,dog and found lots of interesting stuff but no dogs .

There are Tom's Fantasy Wolves, Chucky Husky's Husky and Straczynski's German Shepheard. If the database fails you, don't forget to search the original forum.

 

[Fredeye]

AOI needs a HMS Royal Sovereign class Pre-Dreadnaught class unit

I hadn't noticed till this morning that the Royal Sovereign actually had two stacks situated side-by-side rather than tandum. "The Royal Sovereigns were the most powerful battleships in the world until HMS Dreadnought rendered all other battleships obsolete in 1906." I'm sure that any attempt would be appreciated by the AOI folks.

Spoiler :

 

[Ozymandias]

Well, I think there are still gaps in terms of what-if units along the lines of the Zulu cavalry. I'd love to get some non-North African horse-archers from various eras.

Ah, apologies, true, "what-ifs," although, without disagreement, I'd cite this from Ye Newe Wikipedia: "Horse archery was never widely used south of the Sahara in Africa, where the ecosystem was less suitable for domestic horses. This was presumably due to factors such as the tsetse fly and lack of suitable fodder. Though some African kingdoms south of the Sahara used horses, they were less useful and had a high mortality rate in these regions." -- Again, not to say we shouldn't have them ...

 

[Jerry'sGoldfish]

at least for the "noblemen".....