2020 US Election (Part 3)

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The core tenet of Antifa is to prevent fascism

by violently attacking people to shut down free speech

Answer me this; what would happen to me or @Sommerswerd or @Lexicus if the right wing were to gain power like they so desire?

At least the leftists tolerate my existence, the right would either forcibly medicate, torture, abuse or kill me.

That's why I consider you a joke @GenMarshall so go back to your right wing friends who give you asspats and make you happy and unashamed about your whiteness.

Absolute. Joke.

Beyond Islamic extremists, the right wing are the fastest growing domestic form of terrorism in America but I'm beginning to think you might be okay with these bedfellows of yours

Isn't the right wing in power? What have right wing terrorists done the last few months to compare with destroying neighborhoods? If the 'right wing' came to power undesirables would be attacked, doxxed, deplatformed, silenced, unemployable, and cast aside as the culture is cleansed. Oh wait, never mind.

Ah, the good old "I'm not far-right, I'm actually a centrist" argument. Funny how that always gets accompanied by quoting exclusively far-right "sources" and blindly believing any far-right conspiracy you could possibly run into...

Does that mean only left wingers will quote left wing sources? There's a perfectly good reason why a centrist (or leftist) would quote right wing sources, the Democrats and their media are lying about something. Psst... Did ya hear? Trump had Russian prostitutes piss on the bed Obama used.

The oldest trick in the book:if you don't have anything to show for, just create a destraction by propping up an imaginary internal or external enemy.

And Putin has the tape!
 
The election has morphed into an attempted coup. This isn't a Republican or Democratic issue anymore, this farce is harming our Republic. All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing. Collectively any election fraud has been dis-proven through the courts. It is time for all Americans and specifically our elected leaders to stand up and say this is wrong and that we accept the peaceful transfer of power as a result of this election. Whether you support the President or the President-Elect, the time for partisanship is over, it is time for us to return to our democratic norms, the rule of law must take precedence over any political loyalty.
 
So Trump cant spend the time he's legally allowed to investigate the election? Gore didn't give up until mid December when he lost his last court battle. Democrats are either hiding something or they're making a big mistake - if this election is not inspected with a fine tooth comb more people will think it was rigged further polarizing the country. I've been laughing at all the talk of a civil war but sweeping possible election fraud under the rug could be a trigger for red states ignoring some of Biden's dictates.

that doesn't mean equal, as there are rich and poor, intelligent and stupid ones and so on

eeeyikes
 
by violently attacking people to shut down free speech
Won't somebody think of the Nazis!
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So Trump cant spend the time he's legally allowed to investigate the election? Gore didn't give up until mid December when he lost his last court battle. Democrats are either hiding something or they're making a big mistake - if this election is not inspected with a fine tooth comb more people will think it was rigged further polarizing the country. I've been laughing at all the talk of a civil war but sweeping possible election fraud under the rug could be a trigger for red states ignoring some of Biden's dictates.

Inherent difference, the 2000 election came down to a close singular state. A state at the time had a reasonable election issue. Comparing this election to the 2000 is laughable. It could reasonably be assumed that a single state coming down to 500 votes is worth thoroughly investigating. This election we are looking at cases across nearly a half a dozen states which at bare minimum have a difference of 10,000 votes. Additionally, in 2000 Vice President Gore initially conceded until it became clear there was a significant election issue in the state of Florida. This time around it has been dis-proven so many times at this point it is out of the question that there is any election fraud, issues, etc. At this point the sitting President is attempting to pressure local level election authorities to toss out votes, state legislators to go against the will of the people in their state, and continuing insane court cases that are being tossed out faster than they can be filed.
 
The election has morphed into an attempted coup. This isn't a Republican or Democratic issue anymore, this farce is harming our Republic. All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing. Collectively any election fraud has been dis-proven through the courts. It is time for all Americans and specifically our elected leaders to stand up and say this is wrong and that we accept the peaceful transfer of power as a result of this election. Whether you support the President or the President-Elect, the time for partisanship is over, it is time for us to return to our democratic norms, the rule of law must take precedence over any political loyalty.

It's VERY easy to have a clear answer on the court cases. The two questions are (1) "is it a question of law?" and then (2) "will it make a statistical difference?"

When Trump's lawyers get tossed out of the court, and they then told the media something different from what they told the judge - highlight him as scum and his donors as rubes.
When there's a useful case brought forward, it's a good thing, because these are questions of law and process that need to be settled. Call it a useful thing. If it won't change Biden's margin, point that out. If Trump's lawyers (again) lie to the media about what the case is about, call him scum.

Then feel sorry for all the people who thought they were donating to protect the Republic but actually giving Trump to help him pay off his debts.

It's astounding how many people won't donate to a cancer charity if the admin costs are over 16%, put if the billionaire is taking up to 50% of the donation ... it bothers them less.
 
Won't somebody think of the Nazis!
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Yes, the Nazis did horrible things, and tolerated no dissent or internal opposition. Their methods were brutal and horrific. That much cannot be denied. But after the Fall of Berlin and the Instrument of Surrender, Josef Stalin set up the first organizations called, "Antifa," in the nations that would quickly grow into the Warsaw Pact satellite states, conducted brutal with-hunts and inquisitions with very few limits on authority. And these are the groups that inspired the modern Antifa movements. The fact is, this is NOT a Neo-Manichaean Epic Battle of Good vs. Evil - either then or now - and to portray it as such is highly disingenuous and counterproductive, even downright ruinous. And when people are excoriated and pilloried for even showing a bit of reservation and measured thought about completely and totally throwing in their support and lot with one "side," or another (or *gasp* maybe pointing out the strict, "two-side system," might be an unhealthy and detrimental socio-political paradigm that needs to go the way of the dodo - with it should have long ago) is another side of the break-down of reason in the public discourse.

"The individual is capable of great insight, discernment, judgement, and wisdom; the masses are stupid,"
-Carl Jung
 
Won't somebody think of the Nazis!
"Antifa" is a label that someone can apply to themselves, and it will trigger some type of solidarity in other people that might not be deserved. There's no membership card. There's no vetting process. There are no bylaws, no expulsion process, nothing.

Someone can claim to be 'antifa' and then actually suppress free speech, remember. If your instinct is to defend them because they waved the flag, then it's a mistake. Antifa, the concept that people actually approve of, flirts very heavily with suppressing speech. And that means that individuals, unauthorized and unvetted, will inappropriately suppress free speech in Antifa's name. It's collateral damage, and ones ability to spot that collateral damage will be predictable based on political views.

So, when I see people who support Antifa not condemning cases where its flag-bearers have gone too far, I know that 'the few bad apples' problem will be there as well. And if someone outright denies the collateral, then I know there's a problem. I don't have any way of saying that someone "isn't antifa" if they claim to be, there's no mechanism to do so. We've mobilized a people to suppress speech, with no good mechanism to make sure it's done in a way that's defensible.
 
So Trump cant spend the time he's legally allowed to investigate the election? Gore didn't give up until mid December when he lost his last court battle. Democrats are either hiding something or they're making a big mistake - if this election is not inspected with a fine tooth comb more people will think it was rigged further polarizing the country. I've been laughing at all the talk of a civil war but sweeping possible election fraud under the rug could be a trigger for red states ignoring some of Biden's dictates. eeeyikes

The entire election hung on 537 votes and the recount was halted
But hey STOP THE COUNT or is it COUNT THE VOTES ?

Meanwhile Republicans are calling to find a way to throw out legal votes, lying and gaslighting.
 
"Antifa" is a label that someone can apply to themselves, and it will trigger some type of solidarity in other people that might not be deserved. There's no membership card. There's no vetting process. There are no bylaws, no expulsion process, nothing.

Someone can claim to be 'antifa' and then actually suppress free speech, remember. If your instinct is to defend them because they waved the flag, then it's a mistake. Antifa, the concept that people actually approve of, flirts very heavily with suppressing speech. And that means that individuals, unauthorized and unvetted, will inappropriately suppress free speech in Antifa's name. It's collateral damage, and ones ability to spot that collateral damage will be predictable based on political views.

So, when I see people who support Antifa not condemning cases where its flag-bearers have gone too far, I know that 'the few bad apples' problem will be there as well. And if someone outright denies the collateral, then I know there's a problem. I don't have any way of saying that someone "isn't antifa" if they claim to be, there's no mechanism to do so. We've mobilized a people to suppress speech, with no good mechanism to make sure it's done in a way that's defensible.
If a bunch of Nazis or "alt-reich" turds show up in their Turner Diaries cosplay, I won't get that bothered if someone looking for a fight gets into a fight with them.
 
Anyone else hoping Trump pulls off this coup in Michigan by getting the state legislature to replace the electors with Trump supporters? Maybe he gets Penns. in this manner as well? Anyone? I for one and becoming of the opinion that the nation needs a real wake up call of what conservative forces are beginning to represent. not jsut an anti-immigrant anti-minority rights culture war party but and authoritarian regressive oligarchical party bent on minority tyranny through whatever means necessary. Maybe if this happens we can finally mobilize the abolition of the EC which is 150 years overdue at this point.

We knew he would try this is if was close at all, its not really and he is still going to try it. My fear is he fails and the next one is actually competent and then succeeds. Literally the only thing saving us from GOP tyranny is the same ineptitude that is killing thousands across the mid-west. Their literal idolization of incompetent administrators.
 
Gaslight <----- we are here now
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Project

WTH ? How do you fail this badly ?

Trump's legal team seemingly didn't notice its allegation of election fraud in Michigan is based on data from Minnesota

President Trump's legal team has finally revealed what it claims is a definitive example of election fraud in Michigan — based on data from Minnesota.

One, from a Texas resident who works in cybersecurity, was filed in Georgia on Wednesday
numbers that imply as many as 350 percent of estimated voters in a range of Michigan towns cast ballots. The problem is, the towns the affidavit lists are all scattered across eastern Minnesota, not Michigan.
The affidavit also claims there have been reports of votes switched from Trump to Biden in "Antium County, Michigan." There's no such county in the state, or in the United States at all.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/9511...tion-fraud-michigan-based-data-from-minnesota
 
Yes, the Nazis did horrible things, and tolerated no dissent or internal opposition. Their methods were brutal and horrific. That much cannot be denied. But after the Fall of Berlin and the Instrument of Surrender, Josef Stalin set up the first organizations called, "Antifa," in the nations that would quickly grow into the Warsaw Pact satellite states, conducted brutal with-hunts and inquisitions with very few limits on authority. And these are the groups that inspired the modern Antifa movements. The fact is, this is NOT a Neo-Manichaean Epic Battle of Good vs. Evil - either then or now - and to portray it as such is highly disingenuous and counterproductive, even downright ruinous. And when people are excoriated and pilloried for even showing a bit of reservation and measured thought about completely and totally throwing in their support and lot with one "side," or another (or *gasp* maybe pointing out the strict, "two-side system," might be an unhealthy and detrimental socio-political paradigm that needs to go the way of the dodo - with it should have long ago) is another side of the break-down of reason in the public discourse.

"The individual is capable of great insight, discernment, judgement, and wisdom; the masses are stupid,"
-Carl Jung

They originate in the 20s Italy as a response to Mussolini. :)

I've also read about pockets of them that were instrumental during the French resistance.

They predate Warzaw.
 
The election has morphed into an attempted coup. This isn't a Republican or Democratic issue anymore, this farce is harming our Republic. All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing. Collectively any election fraud has been dis-proven through the courts. It is time for all Americans and specifically our elected leaders to stand up and say this is wrong and that we accept the peaceful transfer of power as a result of this election. Whether you support the President or the President-Elect, the time for partisanship is over, it is time for us to return to our democratic norms, the rule of law must take precedence over any political loyalty.

Unfortunately there are no good people to be found. Our republic has been an elitist aristocratic oligarchy for a long time (dare I say ever since it was founded). Democracy never having existed within the U.S. of A. Only a crude representational voting system that is rigged by those same elitists and their political parties. It was only a matter of time until a Caesar came along, such is the fate of all republics (oh my the founding fathers should have heeded the fall of Rome!).

This is why I personally reject the idea of civilization to begin with. Anarcho-Primitivism is the only true way to live a full meaningful life without one's freedom's being infringed. Kings, Republics, Dictatorships, there all the same.
 
I wouldn't want antifa or fa running around or marching either, tbh.
But I also identify that those groups largely (by no means solely) exist due to how corrupt the system is.
 
So Trump cant spend the time he's legally allowed to investigate the election? Gore didn't give up until mid December when he lost his last court battle. Democrats are either hiding something or they're making a big mistake - if this election is not inspected with a fine tooth comb more people will think it was rigged further polarizing the country. I've been laughing at all the talk of a civil war but sweeping possible election fraud under the rug could be a trigger for red states ignoring some of Biden's dictates.



eeeyikes

Oh you pissant cry baby. Americans are dying by the thousands and the living are barely able to stay afloat.

And bezerk be like: But muh boy Twump' 'lection vestigation!
 
Calling people Nazis is uinacceptable.
by violently attacking people to shut down free speech

Aww, look at that. Poor nazi thinks the scawwy antifa is gonna shut down his freeze peach. How pathetic lol. Maybe you shouldn't say nazi stuff if you're so worried? :lol:

So Trump cant spend the time he's legally allowed to investigate the election? Gore didn't give up until mid December when he lost his last court battle. Democrats are either hiding something or they're making a big mistake - if this election is not inspected with a fine tooth comb more people will think it was rigged further polarizing the country. I've been laughing at all the talk of a civil war but sweeping possible election fraud under the rug could be a trigger for red states ignoring some of Biden's dictates.

Trumpers were so sure their daddy was going to win, and now they are having such a hard time coping with dear daddy's loss. Sad! You hate to see it! :lol:

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by violently attacking people to shut down free speech

You heard it here folks, being anti-fascism is " shutting down free speech"

I guess in the same way being anti racist, anti homophobic, anti transphobic, anti child rape, anti any sort of bigotry is shutting down free speech.

You are a joke. An absolute joke, look at how far you've fallen and i have no doubt you haven't hit bottom yet. Stop. Defending. Bigotry.

Isn't the right wing in power? What have right wing terrorists done the last few months to compare with destroying neighborhoods? If the 'right wing' came to power undesirables would be attacked, doxxed, deplatformed, silenced, unemployable, and cast aside as the culture is cleansed. Oh wait, never mind.

Except we have a slightly less right-wing party that also holds some degree of power, removing the total monopoly of Republican-based power.

But even with that, right-wing terrorism has been on the rise, people have been killed by right wingers, people have been abused and discriminated against.

Stop. Defending. Bigotry.
 
So Trump cant spend the time he's legally allowed to investigate the election? Gore didn't give up until mid December when he lost his last court battle.
Can you show me where Gore on election night declared himself the winner?
Can you show me where Gore made the claim 3 months in advance "If I lose it's because Bush rigged the election"
Can you figure out the difference in 2000 and 2020 with regard to the difference in vote count?
Was there a pandemic killing more than a thousand people a day in 2000?
Did Gore put a laywer team in front of the camera accusing Republicans of massive systematic voter fraud?

Democrats are either hiding something or they're making a big mistake - if this election is not inspected with a fine tooth comb more people will think it was rigged further polarizing the country.
And why do they think it was rigged? Because Trump said so. That's it. That's all. No further evidence your honour. So when Republicans make false claims, they don't have to provide evidence, but Democrats are the ones who have to want these baseless claims checked.

Yeah ... that's ridiculous.

I've been laughing at all the talk of a civil war but sweeping possible election fraud under the rug could be a trigger for red states ignoring some of Biden's dictates.
I have been laughing at baseless election fraud claims being laughed out of court.
If red states ignore some of Biden's dictates because they think he got elected by fraud, that's on Trump.

Investigate elections to your heart's content. Don't make accusations off massive systematic election fraud with nothing to go on.

Is this getting through? It's not the investigations. Trump and his lawyer clowns are not talking about possible election fraud. They are talking about definitive election fraud with nothing to show for. And at page 177 you would think you would have picked up on this.

So either you didn't, which means you have not been paying attention, or you did which means you're being deliberately obtuse, or it just doesn't penetrate your ironclad bubble.
 
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They originate in the 20s Italy as a response to Mussolini. :)

I've also read about pockets of them that were instrumental during the French resistance.

They predate Warzaw.

Regardless, they're obsolete. As I've said many time, actual ideological Fascists are a tiny minority of the population - both in the U.S. and the world today - and collectively have political and social clout dwarfed by, say, the LGBTQ rights movement. There are new right-wing movements that have indeed risen in the world since, some very terrifying, such as these new camps of the Republican Party of the United States, more extremist factions of the European Nationalist/Eurosceptic Movement, the Post-Soviet Parties-of-Power, Islamist Fundamentalism, Revisionist Zionist. BJT-style Hindu Nationalism, African Nationalism (the right-wing of hard African politics, as opposed to Pan-Africanism and African Socialism which are the left-wing, in a very general sense of a complicated political dynamic), Latin American Populism, etc., but none of these things are ACTUALLY Fascism! Fascism, as a movement, is all but dead. These new hard-right-wing movements should be recognized for what they are, individually, as movements, with their own origins and their own contexts, to understand them accurately and the threats they represent, and given their own appropriate labels when discussing them. Slapping an anachronistic label on such movements, or even any specific number of them, usually to invoke a sense of baggage in rhetoric from the old labels that is not entirely applicable, is counter-productive, detrimental, and ruinous to the discourse, and to any realistic solutions of the problems faced. "Know your enemy and your battle is half-won." But what would Sun Tzu say of someone who thought they were facing the wrong enemy, and kept insisting on it. I've brought this problem up to other posters here many times, but they've always have a flimsy, tissue paper, knee-jerk reaction, or even aggressive lashing-out "reason," why they cling to that label, why they believe it's valid, and why everyone should, too - to date, I haven't seen an eloquent, well-reasoned, rational reason put forward in the defense of old labels being applied and not recognizing them as new and different movements and the contexts and dangers they represent. In fact, such toxic nostalgia is actually, itself, a hallmark of EVERY hard-right-right movement, and that itself should be worrisome when people opposed to such movements insist on emulating their style, even in such specific ways. In fact, my criticism of the sloppy and counter-productive of such old terms for modern movements has gotten a couple posters here to say I MUST be a Fascist by obvious Inquisition/Witch-Hunting/Red Scare-type logic. It's time to move beyond the '20's to '40's and face the challenges of the modern world - and recognize them for what they are, and label them as such.
 
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