Scientology and Xenu

[ironduck]

Some of them are quite fun, like Takeshi's castle

 

[Dr. Yoshi]

Sounds as plausible as any other religion to me. The only difference between Scientology and the mainstream religions is time.

 

[ironduck]

Scientology has a group of managers who enrich themselves off the slave work of the lower members. Mainstream religions are mostly past that these days. They also tend not to have secret police that kidnap and torture disobedient members.

 

[Esckey]

The Mormon religion is no less inspired. They believe that God is an alien that lives around the star Kakistocra, and that the angel Moroni is an alien messenger (who resembles the Greys from conspiracy theories). There is also an amusing matter of alternate North American history, as well as the infamous Egyptian hieroglyphic golden plates, which, while translated as the book of Mormon, were actually found to be excerpts from the Book of the Dead. I am confident that such con games can be exposed with nearly any religion, if one can find the evidence.

Uh? Care to explain that a bit, cause I know many mormons and never heard this little gem before. Especially since they(my friends) are all about an omnipotent being like Santa and not about some physical alien being


@Ironduck
That sounds more like a pyramid scheme then a religion

 

[Sophie 378]

Seconded (minus the knowing some part), sounds more like Raelians to me.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Info page on the Mormons

 

[ironduck]

@Ironduck
That sounds more like a pyramid scheme then a religion

I don't consider scientology a religion. It's a money-making cult that coerces people into submission for the enrichment of the people in power.

Then again, I don't really know what constitutes a religion, but the more closed, coercive, and cult-like an organization is the less I consider it a (valid) religion. If someone can come up with a better definition I'll be happy to hear it; most religions have or have had elements as the ones listed above.

 

[Homie]

Some of them are quite fun, like Takeshi's castle

Love that show, really funny.

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

Uh? Care to explain that a bit, cause I know many mormons and never heard this little gem before. Especially since they(my friends) are all about an omnipotent being like Santa and not about some physical alien being

They won't come out and tell you, but they believe that God is actually an all-powerful alien being from the planet Kolob, which was recently identified as orbiting the star Kakistocra. From what I remember of Mormon theology, Kolob is also a kind of soul reservoir, sort of the equivalent of Heaven in Christian theology, wherein souls are paired up with their bodies at FTL speed, as those bodies come into being on their respective worlds, all over the universe. There are other alien all-powerful rulers, although none as powerful as "The Almighty" of Kolob, who have their own planetary domains.

You might also want to ask about the sacred underwear they have to wear for certain rituals.

All this is supposed to be kept within the Mormon community, but, of course, it gets out. You can find it all over the internet.

 

[ironduck]

I think there's at least one Mormon in these forums, maybe he'll chime in..

 

[Kozmos]

Some of them are quite fun, like Takeshi's castle

I think I've seen that,it was hilarious,Japanase can be quite whacky when they want to.

 

[Elrohir]

They won't come out and tell you, but they believe that God is actually an all-powerful alien being from the planet Kolob, which was recently identified as orbiting the star Kakistocra. From what I remember of Mormon theology, Kolob is also a kind of soul reservoir, sort of the equivalent of Heaven in Christian theology, wherein souls are paired up with their bodies at FTL speed, as those bodies come into being on their respective worlds, all over the universe. There are other alien all-powerful rulers, although none as powerful as "The Almighty" of Kolob, who have their own planetary domains.

You might also want to ask about the sacred underwear they have to wear for certain rituals.

All this is supposed to be kept within the Mormon community, but, of course, it gets out. You can find it all over the internet.

While I am uncertain about the Kolob thing (I've heard things like that, but not directly from a Mormon) I am certain that the sacred underwear thing is correct. I had a Mormon friend when I was very young, and he mentioned it to me once. I didn't really get it, and neither did my Mom, who I asked about it. (For awhile I wondered if Mormon's underwear glowed or was holy or something, but of course I found out it didn't, which ended my interest on the subject )

Their missionaries are kinda creepy though. Even in the hot air of Hawaii they wear long sleeve shirts, and they always smile and ride bikes up to your house, and....well, they're just a little odd.

 

[Taliesin]

Sacred underwear isn't all that weird-- Zoroastrians wear it too, and not just for worship.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Sounds as plausible as any other religion to me. The only difference between Scientology and the mainstream religions is time.

Don't be ridiculous. Read some of Hubbard's policy instructions!

MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MONEY.

SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.

And how about the raid on the IRS?
Or their paramilitary organization?

If CurtSibling had said what you said above, I would have attributed it to irrational hatred for religion. I hope it's different with you.

 

[sanabas]

Their missionaries are kinda creepy though. Even in the hot air of Hawaii they wear long sleeve shirts, and they always smile and ride bikes up to your house, and....well, they're just a little odd.

They are fun to argue with though. The syllabus of their evangelism 101 course that they take before doing their missionary work forgets to cover basic logic.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Call me a cynic, but I doubt it's a case of forgetting it as much as a case of the higher-ups realizing that the sort of people who'll demand logical argumentation are unlikely to be swayed anyway. As a rule, people don't join religions because they are convinced by the logical rigour of apologetics, but because doing so provides emotional validation of one sort or another.

 

[ironduck]

I find it pretty amusing that a young earth creationist makes fun of other implausible religions/cults

 

[The Last Conformist]

I find it pretty amusing that a young earth creationist makes fun of other implausible religions/cults

Amusing indeed, but wacky as the Scientologist account of human origins is, I don't quite think it deserves comparison with YECism.

 

[Dr. Yoshi]

Don't be ridiculous. Read some of Hubbard's policy instructions!

And you don't think some religions early in their history didn't have similar ambitions? The Catholic Church was the dominant force over Western Europe for at least a thousand years, remember.

And how about the raid on the IRS?
Or their paramilitary organization?

Every religion does something they will regret in time. Also the Pope has the Swiss Guard, how is their "paramilitary organization" any different?

If CurtSibling had said what you said above, I would have attributed it to irrational hatred for religion. I hope it's different with you.

I don't hate religion, I hate the people who have corrupted it and used it to gain power. That's why I say Scientology is no different than the mainstream religions: they all want power.

 

[Supa]

Scientology is a sect, nothing more, nothing less.